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Deuteronomy 23 : 2
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 4, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Godschild Wrote: This is where studying scriptures helps to determine such things, one thing one must do is carefully compare the OT to the NT to find out what applies to whom.
Deut. 23:2 has a companion verse in the NT, which I will look up for you if you like, but this is what it says, that two unlike people (man+ woman only) should not marry, this has nothing to do with race, nationality and ect. it's that a Christian and nonchristian should not marry, this is necessarily what is said in Deut. During the times of Deut. the Israelites were the only peoples to believe in the God of creation. Hope this makes sense, if not I'll try again.

I think you may mean 2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

This is a charming little verse that equates unbelief with wickedness and darkness. I don't see that it has anything to do with Deut 23:2 which deals with whether bastards should go to church.

Perhaps you mean some other verse.

Regards

Grimesy
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon

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#22
RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
Quote:Deut. 23:2 has a companion verse in the NT,


Of course....such shit usually does.
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#23
RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
Inner Baptist speaking: "Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ died so that the sins of all mankind could be magically erased and forgiven and stuff. So we aren't held responsible for the sins of anyone else cuz the only important thing in life is loving' Jesus and stuff. And Bill O'Rielly said..."

Rational Me speaking: "If God didn't want children born out of wedlock and had magical powers, why didn't He just make it impossible to do that?"
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#24
RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm)Polaris Wrote: Not at all. That was a very big issue for Israelite men marrying non-Israelite women.....they were not considered Jewish because the mothers were seen as the ones who influenced their children to whatever were their beliefs.


And yet the same god tells them to go ahead and enjoy the spoils of war by capturing, raping, and occasionally marrying the virgin women of other nations.

jesus tapdancing christ, it gets so old listening to you apologists' greasy explanations that never explain anything.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote:
(October 4, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Godschild Wrote: This is where studying scriptures helps to determine such things, one thing one must do is carefully compare the OT to the NT to find out what applies to whom.
Deut. 23:2 has a companion verse in the NT, which I will look up for you if you like, but this is what it says, that two unlike people (man+ woman only) should not marry, this has nothing to do with race, nationality and ect. it's that a Christian and nonchristian should not marry, this is necessarily what is said in Deut. During the times of Deut. the Israelites were the only peoples to believe in the God of creation. Hope this makes sense, if not I'll try again.

I think you may mean 2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

This is a charming little verse that equates unbelief with wickedness and darkness. I don't see that it has anything to do with Deut 23:2 which deals with whether bastards should go to church.

Perhaps you mean some other verse.

Regards

Grimesy

That's the verse, and I would think that you could see it says to Christians, do not marry an unbeliever, not because it is sinful, because it will make a marriage much more difficult. It will also make it harder for you to be a witness, it will cause difficulty in raising children.
By the way the church is a NT community of believers, it has nothing to do with a place, the church meets in a building just like the Jews met in a building called the Temple or synagogue (which is defined a bringing together of).
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 8, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's the verse, and I would think that you could see it says to Christians, do not marry an unbeliever, not because it is sinful

Hold on a second. Did you miss the part where it referred to unbelief as 'wickedness'? ...continue

Godschild Wrote:because it will make a marriage much more difficult. It will also make it harder for you to be a witness, it will cause difficulty in raising children.
By the way the church is a NT community of believers, it has nothing to do with a place, the church meets in a building just like the Jews met in a building called the Temple or synagogue (which is defined a bringing together of).

So...don't marry people of other religions or they will interfere with you attempts to indoctrinate the kids. If god were real, it wouldn't matter if the parents brainwashed the kid from an early age or not; it would become apparent that god was real sooner or later. If god values belief over morals, then he might have a problem. If he valuse morals over belief, then he shouldn't care if people believe in him or not. He really shouldn't have even mentioned heaven or hell anyway. They bring up so many problems!
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 8, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's the verse, and I would think that you could see it says to Christians, do not marry an unbeliever, not because it is sinful

Ds Wrote:Hold on a second. Did you miss the part where it referred to unbelief as 'wickedness'? ...continue

No I did not miss that part, actually I have known about it for a long time, why you have a problem with the way God views your life?

Godschild Wrote:because it will make a marriage much more difficult. It will also make it harder for you to be a witness, it will cause difficulty in raising children.
By the way the church is a NT community of believers, it has nothing to do with a place, the church meets in a building just like the Jews met in a building called the Temple or synagogue (which is defined a bringing together of).

Ds Wrote:So...don't marry people of other religions or they will interfere with you attempts to indoctrinate the kids. If god were real, it wouldn't matter if the parents brainwashed the kid from an early age or not; it would become apparent that god was real sooner or later. If god values belief over morals, then he might have a problem. If he valuse morals over belief, then he shouldn't care if people believe in him or not. He really shouldn't have even mentioned heaven or hell anyway. They bring up so many problems!

It actually said anyone who does not believe in Christ the Son of God as their savior, did you miss that part. It is the right of parents to raise their children in the way they see fit for them, be it Christian, atheist or of any of the religions of the world, at least in this country. I can say one thing for you, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. So, who are you to tell God how things ought to be, Satan has found that to be fatal and he is by far smarter than you are. God values faith and belief so much because it leads to a better moral life, you must remember that God said that no one is good, he even meant Christians. Why, because the standard is God Himself, the only one who is perfect.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 9, 2012 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote:
(October 8, 2012 at 11:51 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Hold on a second. Did you miss the part where it referred to unbelief as 'wickedness'? ...continue

No I did not miss that part, actually I have known about it for a long time, why you have a problem with the way God views your life?

Yeah, you missed it apparently, if you still hold that it isn't because it is sinful.



(bolding added)
First of all, why should I take authority from something that doesn't exist? Provide evidence of his existence, then we can debate whether absolute power=do whatever you want. Also, about the bolded, no it doesn't.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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#29
RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
(October 9, 2012 at 12:51 am)Darkstar Wrote:
(October 9, 2012 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: No I did not miss that part, actually I have known about it for a long time, why you have a problem with the way God views your life?

Yeah, you missed it apparently, if you still hold that it isn't because it is sinful.



(bolding added)
First of all, why should I take authority from something that doesn't exist? Provide evidence of his existence, then we can debate whether absolute power=do whatever you want. Also, about the bolded, no it doesn't.

According to scripture it is not my responsibility to prove God exist, nowhere in scripture can you find it is my obligation to prove God to you. Bet you did not know that, but now that you do, wonder why it was never written into scripture. You would think that if man had written the scriptures of his own accord it would have appeared in the thousands of years scripture was written.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#30
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Religion.....it's all bullshit and its bad for ya.

http://dunedinschool.wordpress.com/2009/...c-periods/

Quote:Juha Pakkala has a fine article in the latest ZAW outlining his ten reasons why Urdeuteronomium – the earliest edition of the book of Deuteronomy – dates later than Josiah and the Judean Kingdom, that is after 586 BCE. In fact, his reasons point to a period no earlier than the 300s BCE.
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