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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 12:43 am)Polaris Wrote: Careful with that thinking....humanity has let species go extinct with that rationale.
Right, careful in that thinking, I agree. Because evolution is about variety, some species do better as individuals, and others do better as groups. But it only takes one offspring to spread your DNA. Humans can have one female who goes on to have 5 kids, then one of those kids goes on to have 1 kid who goes on to have 3 and so on and so on. So it only takes one, but usually the more you produce the better your chances to spread your DNA.
There is actually a minimum number of individuals a species must have if it is to survive. Below that and it is likely to become extinct. I thought it was as low as 1,000 but now it looks to be estimated at 5,000 or so.
From the American Scientist
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm)Polaris Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Right, careful in that thinking, I agree. Because evolution is about variety, some species do better as individuals, and others do better as groups. But it only takes one offspring to spread your DNA. Humans can have one female who goes on to have 5 kids, then one of those kids goes on to have 1 kid who goes on to have 3 and so on and so on. So it only takes one, but usually the more you produce the better your chances to spread your DNA.
There is actually a minimum number of individuals a species must have if it is to survive. Below that and it is likely to become extinct. I thought it was as low as 1,000 but now it looks to be estimated at 5,000 or so.
From the American Scientist That's a fascinating read Polaris, thanks.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm)Polaris Wrote: There is actually a minimum number of individuals a species must have if it is to survive. Below that and it is likely to become extinct. I thought it was as low as 1,000 but now it looks to be estimated at 5,000 or so. That all depends on the environment. In the case of a species that is part of the food chain, there may not be enough to survive depletion. In the case of a new species, it is not yet an integral part of the food chain and the predators may be few to none initially which presents a whole new thriving scenario.
As you are a christian, one assumes that you believe in the babble-book in which there is a story of two humans thriving and also a family thriving and what of the animals on the ark. That was well below your 1000-5000.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm)Polaris Wrote: There is actually a minimum number of individuals a species must have if it is to survive. Below that and it is likely to become extinct. I thought it was as low as 1,000 but now it looks to be estimated at 5,000 or so. That all depends on the environment. In the case of a species that is part of the food chain, there may not be enough to survive depletion. In the case of a new species, it is not yet an integral part of the food chain and the predators may be few to none initially which presents a whole new thriving scenario.
As you are a christian, one assumes that you believe in the babble-book in which there is a story of two humans thriving and also a family thriving and what of the animals on the ark. That was well below your 1000-5000.
From what I have heard, Adam and Eve were only the propagators of the Caucasian race at most, at least according to a study I heard about but it of course could not explicitly call the ancestors Adam and Eve.
The Flood story was only in reference to the cultures that experienced the deluge in the Black Sea some eight thousand years ago.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 9:54 pm
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(October 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Polaris Wrote: The Flood story was only in reference to the cultures that experienced the deluge in the Black Sea some eight thousand years ago.
Genesis 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
in case you think this is ambiguous, there is also this:
Genesis 7:22-23 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
(bolding added)
Maybe it was a real flood, but that isn't consistent with the biblical account that says it will end all people (except those on the ark). So, it would be reasonable to conclude that an actual flood was misconstrued as an act of god. Considering that there are flood stories in some other cultures may also suggest this. This could not be an act of god because the bible was supposedly divinely inspired, and if the actual flood did not wipe out everything on earth, the bible is wrong. Not that many people still interpret this literally anyway; it's the most problematic story in the entire bible. The real question is, how can we say it is a metaphor other than its impossibility? The bible seems to claim that it is literal, we just redefine it as metaphor once accepting it as literal is considerably more illogical than even other stories. So how do we know they aren't all metaphors?
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Polaris Wrote: From what I have heard, Adam and Eve were only the propagators of the Caucasian race at most, at least according to a study I heard about but it of course could not explicitly call the ancestors Adam and Eve.
The Flood story was only in reference to the cultures that experienced the deluge in the Black Sea some eight thousand years ago. What....the fuck?
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 10:18 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Polaris Wrote: From what I have heard, Adam and Eve were only the propagators of the Caucasian race at most, at least according to a study I heard about but it of course could not explicitly call the ancestors Adam and Eve.
The Flood story was only in reference to the cultures that experienced the deluge in the Black Sea some eight thousand years ago. What....the fuck? Seems racist.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm
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-Is- idiotic.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 10:22 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 10:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What....the fuck? Seems racist.
You mean as in god is racist? Well, in a way. He hated other cultures enough to have his followers commit genocide against them, but he hated them mainly because they didn't follow his laws, not just because they were of another race.
Here's a thought: If Christians say god won't reveal himslef because we would follow only out of self-preservation, then how do you expliain the societies that god allagedly relvealed himself to? After wiping Sodom and Gomorrah off the face of the earth, one would think all future cultures would obey. The bible claims they did not, which I find a difficult scenario to swallow.
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RE: I 'believe' in Evolution
October 24, 2012 at 10:23 pm
(October 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Polaris Wrote: (October 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: That all depends on the environment. In the case of a species that is part of the food chain, there may not be enough to survive depletion. In the case of a new species, it is not yet an integral part of the food chain and the predators may be few to none initially which presents a whole new thriving scenario.
As you are a christian, one assumes that you believe in the babble-book in which there is a story of two humans thriving and also a family thriving and what of the animals on the ark. That was well below your 1000-5000.
From what I have heard, Adam and Eve were only the propagators of the Caucasian race at most, at least according to a study I heard about but it of course could not explicitly call the ancestors Adam and Eve.
The Flood story was only in reference to the cultures that experienced the deluge in the Black Sea some eight thousand years ago.
Hum. You don't take the word of the bible as gospel, I take it?
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