Again....But it's never the guns!

[Shell B]

Group hug!

No way. I'm not done watching him get pissed for no reason.

[Something completely different]

Group hug!

No way. I'm not done watching him get pissed for no reason.

I gave my reason for being pissed. Have no idea in what kind of reality you live in.

Or if you simply chose to be ignorant.

[Jaysyn]

Were you the one who needed to put up a fence? Or was it something different? Do run it by me again, I lost track when everyone started posting pictures of their 'awesome guns'.

No idea what you are talking about.

To add to that anecdote I also personally know (as in went to high school with them) someone who shot & killed an armed intruder during a home invasion.

So what? How is does this have any bearing whatsoever on the right to bear arms?

You didn't read. They cut the power & phone in the middle of the night & he was with his very pregnant wife. I guess you would have just let the meth heads kill you as you tried to hit them with a stick or something. That's what home invaders generally do over here, no witnesses.

So exactly who makes that decision?

I'll presume you mean limiting who has access to guns.

So to answer your question, the government should make the decision.

We already did. Over here, We the People *are* the government.

[Shell B]

I gave my reason for being pissed. Have no idea in what kind of reality you live in.

Or if you simply chose to be ignorant.

Just to be clear, there is only one kind of reality. In it, you get pissed easily. I choose to be amused. You also contradict yourself and I would think you had more integrity if you tried to help me understand what you mean, as it could be a language problem instead of flipping out. So, I don't bother fishing up examples you could easily find on your own if you were not so full of yourself. Still, I often agree with you.

[frankiej]

You didn't read. They cut the power & phone in the middle of the night & he was with his very pregnant wife. I guess you would have just let the meth heads kill you as you tried to hit them with a stick or something. That's what home invaders generally do over here, no witnesses.

Wow... an average break in over here is never that organised. If all the robbers and such people are cutting power and phone lines, I assume from outside, then you guys have more than just a gun problem. You can't do that in my street without specialised equipment... or a big digger.

[Jaysyn]

You didn't read. They cut the power & phone in the middle of the night & he was with his very pregnant wife. I guess you would have just let the meth heads kill you as you tried to hit them with a stick or something. That's what home invaders generally do over here, no witnesses.

Wow... an average break in over here is never that organised. If all the robbers and such people are cutting power and phone lines, I assume from outside, then you guys have more than just a gun problem. You can't do that in my street without specialised equipment... or a big digger.

Over here the lines are buried to the house (or coming in aerial from a drop pole) to a small box mounted on the side of the house which basically interfaces the inside & outside of the house. Even if it's in conduit to the interface it's trivial to pull it away from the wall & cut it. How do they do it in Europe?

[frankiej]

Over here the lines are buried to the house (or coming in aerial from a drop pole) to a small box mounted on the side of the house which basically interfaces the inside & outside of the house. Even if it's in conduit to the interface it's trivial to pull it away from the wall & cut it. How do they do it in Europe?

I can only speak for house here in Scotland really.

Everything is controlled from inside the house... the only thing on the outside of my house is a vent coming from the boiler.

My lines are buried and it goes straight to inside the house... all my controls for power are under my stairs. Nothing on the outside that someone could tamper with.

As for the phone line, it is the same... buried and straight indoors. Fun and secure times for me.

I also have a great escape route out my bedroom window in case of intruders. I can get on the roof and jump onto the raised grass in my back garden and over the neighbours fence... away I go!! No need for confrontation.

[Jaysyn]

Over here the lines are buried to the house (or coming in aerial from a drop pole) to a small box mounted on the side of the house which basically interfaces the inside & outside of the house. Even if it's in conduit to the interface it's trivial to pull it away from the wall & cut it. How do they do it in Europe?

I can only speak for house here in Scotland really.

Everything is controlled from inside the house... the only thing on the outside of my house is a vent coming from the boiler.

My lines are buried and it goes straight to inside the house... all my controls for power are under my stairs. Nothing on the outside that someone could tamper with.

As for the phone line, it is the same... buried and straight indoors. Fun and secure times for me.

Very interesting. Does the ground freeze where you live?

I also have a great escape route out my bedroom window in case of intruders. I can get on the roof and jump onto the raised grass in my back garden and over the neighbours fence... away I go!! No need for confrontation.

That's a good plan. But even if my former schoolmate was able to do something like that (he's not, if I had to guess he's 6'7" & 350 lbs) his pregnant wife most certainly couldn't.

[Ryantology]

Obviously I know what the pro-gun advocates would like.

What is it the anti-gun advocates want? I'm just curious. Could one of you write me out a summary of the legislation that you feel would protect the constitution and offer the safeguards that we all would like to see? Or is the abolishment of the 2nd Amendment that you would like?

No accusation here. Just curious.

Here are ten items, to start with. For brevity's sake, assume that any mention of firearms involves those designed to discharge ammo or shot of sufficient size and/or with sufficient force to be lethal. So, I'm not talking about pellet or BB guns.

1. All firearms regardless of size, shape or purpose should be registered with authorities. This registration should be renewed on a regular basis.

2. All transactions involving firearms, even if no money is exchanged, must be reported to authorities by all involved parties within 24 hours of the transaction.

3. Magazines should be limited to carry no more than six rounds.

4. All firearms which are designed to fire in full automatic or burst automatic should be completely banned. Modifying an existing firearm to give it either capability should be a class-D felony.

5. Knowingly possessing any unregistered firearm should be a class-E felony. The sale or transfer of an unregistered firearm should be a class-D felony.

6. No more than one firearm of any variety may be possessed by all persons living in a household. Registered hunters may possess a second, which cannot be a handgun.

7. No firearms may be carried concealed in public places under any circumstances.

8. Conviction of any violent offense should bar a person from possessing firearms permanently, unless the conviction is overturned.

9. In order to qualify for a firearms license, one must pass a mandated firearms safety training program annually.

10. All firearms must be stored in a locked, stationary safe in the home (not in a shed or auxiliary building) when not in use. The safe must be registered with authorities. Unless specifically being transported, firearms may not be stored in vehicles for any reason. The owner is responsible for making sure the firearms are secure.

The second amendment gives you the right to own firearms, but that right should not be without significant limits. It should not be easy or cheap, as it is now. The question every person should ask themselves before purchasing a weapon is "how much do I really need this"?

[popeyespappy]

4. All firearms which are designed to fire in full automatic or burst automatic should be completely banned.

These types of weapons became strictly controlled in the United States in 1934 with the passage of the National Firearms Act (NFA). Civilian ownership of these types of firearms is currently allowed per the conditions set by NFA, and the regulations haven't changed much in almost 80 years. During that time frame I am aware of only one conviction of a person for using a legally owned machine gun to kill someone. In that case an Ohio police officer was convicted of killing an informant with his privately owned MAC-11.

The current system seems to be working just fine with regards to legally owned machine guns. Why change it?