The greatest glory for the smallest child

[Minimalist]

I think that the statement "the greatest glory for the smallest child" essentially sums up everything that people need to know about morality.

If you can't see this, you are evil.

The catholic church says "the tightest glory hole for the smallest child."

Now, THEY are fucking evil!

[jstrodel]

Humility is agreement with God, when your spirit shines with the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost tells people they are fools, so I tell you you are a fool, because you are. That is humility, to tell people when they are fools.

Pride is when you do what you want and flatter people and say "you are not fools, you are wise" when they are fools.

But the people on this board, they are fools. Not to exalt myself, just to agree with God, if humility is to agree with God, and the people on this board are fools, it is humility to say you are fools. You may disagree that the people are fools, but it is incorrect theology to say that it is humility to call the fool wise.

[Jackalope]

[jstrodel]

Jesus called people fools all the time.

Oh yeah, thats right, I remember, you learned about Christianity at a church that interpreted John 7 in light of liberal beliefs about being nice to people, instead of in context of the rest of what he says.

Of course you wouldn't know about what real humility is because you have never been to a real church.

[Minimalist]

Not to exalt myself, just to agree with God, if humility is to agree with God, and the people on this board are fools, it is humility to say you are fools. You may disagree that the people are fools, but it is incorrect theology to say that it is humility to call the fool wise.

Are you fucking drunk, strudel? You're babbling.

[Darkstar]

That is what utilitarians think "the greatest glory for the smallest child". That is there manifesta!


So says the liberal "though we know not yet what to do, yet will we giveth glory, the greatest glory to the smallest child"

I said I know what utilitarianism is. You should have known not to just make it up.

Utilitarianism is a theory in normative ethics holding that the proper course of action is the one that maximizes utility, specifically defined as maximizing happiness and reducing suffering.

Where do you keep getting all of these weird ideas from?

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Humility is agreement with God, when your spirit shines with the Holy Ghost.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07543b.htm

The word humility signifies lowliness or submissiveness an it is derived from the Latin humilitas or, as St. Thomas says, from humus, i.e. the earth which is beneath us. As applied to persons and things it means that which is abject, ignoble, or of poor condition, as we ordinarily say, not worth much. Thus we say that a man is of humble birth or that a house is a humble dwelling. As restricted to persons, humility is understood also in the sense of afflictions or miseries, which may be inflicted by external agents, as when a man humiliates another by causing him pain or suffering. It is in this sense that others may bring about humiliations and subject us to them. Humility in a higher and ethical sense is that by which a man has a modest estimate of his own worth, and submits himself to others. According to this meaning no man can humiliate another, but only himself, and this he can do properly only when aided by Divine grace. We are treating here of humility in this sense, that is, of the virtue of humility.

The virtue of humility may be defined: "A quality by which a person considering his own defects has a lowly opinion of himself and willingly submits himself to God and to others for God's sake." St. Bernard defines it: "A virtue by which a man knowing himself as he truly is, abases himself." These definitions coincide with that given by St. Thomas: "The virtue of humility", he says, "Consists in keeping oneself within one's own bounds, not reaching out to things above one, but submitting to one's superior" (Summa Contra Gent., bk. IV, ch. lv, tr. Rickaby).

[jstrodel]

Darkstar everyone knows that the way to understand something is not to read a 50 word definition it is to seek it out, and the fruit of that will be related to how hard you seek it out.

[Darkstar]

Darkstar everyone knows that the way to understand something is not to read a 50 word definition it is to seek it out, and the fruit of that will be related to how hard you seek it out.

That is also the definition of utilitarianism they taught in the philosophy class I am taking at uni now. I mean this seriously though; what source can you find that disagrees with what I gave? It is pretty cut and dry, you don't need to go on a long search to find the definition of utilitarianism. (Or were you talking about the definition of humility that I deliberately pulled from a religious source that you still disagree with?)

[jstrodel]

I took ethics 8 years ago, that is probably what you are in, either ethics or political philosophy. I know what utilitarianism is, that is why I posted what I did.

"The greatest good for the greatest number" has the same amount of moral authority as "The greatest glory for the smallest child"
Prove me wrong.

[Darkstar]

I took ethics 8 years ago, that is probably what you are in, either ethics or political philosophy. I know what utilitarianism is, that is why I posted what I did.

"The greatest good for the greatest number" has the same amount of moral authority as "The greatest glory for the smallest child"
Prove me wrong.

If you have no value for human happiness, the both of those statements are indeed equal. If you do, then it should be obvious why one might prefer one to the other.