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ReasonableRuben
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Welcome, Ruben. At the risk of overcomplicating things, this is one of the best breakdowns of atheists and atheism I've ever read:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Us...es/Atheism As pocaracas pointed out, atheism itself is very simple. Atheists, however, are as complicated as anyone else.  (May 30, 2013 at 11:28 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: As pocaracas pointed out, atheism itself is very simple. Atheists, however, are as complicated as anyone else. Thanks, Mister Agenda. I read that article. I am well aware of the issues discussed in it, but it was nice to get a "refresher," as it where. Certainly, we are all very complicated. 
"I know what you are thinking about,' said Tweedledum: 'but it isn't so, nohow.'
'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ~Tweedledum and Tweedledee discussing the finer points of logic  (May 30, 2013 at 11:13 am)ReasonableRuben Wrote:(May 30, 2013 at 10:48 am)pocaracas Wrote: They? "they" don't know what "they"'re talking about! Enjoy your stay! (May 30, 2013 at 11:39 am)ReasonableRuben Wrote:(May 30, 2013 at 11:28 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: As pocaracas pointed out, atheism itself is very simple. Atheists, however, are as complicated as anyone else. I appreciate you taking the time to do that, Ruben. If you were already familiar with those issue, it may explain why you seem to be so reasonable.
RE: ReasonableRuben
May 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2013 at 12:06 pm by ReasonableRuben.)
(May 30, 2013 at 11:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: Enjoy your stay! I will certainly try. (May 30, 2013 at 11:58 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I appreciate you taking the time to do that, Ruben. If you were already familiar with those issue, it may explain why you seem to be so reasonable. Yes, whilst "implicit atheism" does tend to make theists uncomfortable, one need only come to a realization of its triviality in order to then come to the realization that we can "let the atheists have their implications," stop quibbling over words so much,(though I do enjoy quibbling occasionally) and simply ask atheists to qualify themselves when necessary. I think theists need to learn how to ask the question of atheists "What kind of atheist are you?"(in this definitional sense, of course)
"I know what you are thinking about,' said Tweedledum: 'but it isn't so, nohow.'
'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ~Tweedledum and Tweedledee discussing the finer points of logic  
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Hi, and welcome!
  RE: ReasonableRuben
May 31, 2013 at 5:09 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2013 at 5:09 pm by Violet.)
(May 30, 2013 at 11:39 am)ReasonableRuben Wrote: Certainly, we are all very complicated. I'm not... welcome to the forum. I have tentatively high expectations for you based on what you've put out so far... I sincerely hope that they be met And exceeded 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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