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RE: God and the Imagination
May 31, 2013 at 1:56 am
(May 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm)Colanth Wrote: (May 20, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: You need to disprove my experiences before you dismiss them Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Quote:How is it you are certain, your word not mine, there is no interaction with God.
There's never been any objective evidence that any god has ever objectively existed - that's how. (If no god exists, you can't have interacted with one.)
And don't ask for evidence that there's no god - the burden of proof is on the existentially positive assertion which, in this case, is yours.
Quote:That's not Christian doctrine, who told you that, that's a fact of life in many different arenas.
No, no god is a "fact of life". No sapient being who has never heard of any god-concept ever sees not being ready for an answer from a god as a fact of life. Getting wet when you stand out in the rain is a fact of life. Going 'splat' when you fall off a 500 foot high cliff is a fact of life. Not being ready to receive an answer from a god is a religious doctrine.
You make a claim that is church doctrine, where's your proof. Supply some please. Now you have said it's a fact there's no God, burden of proof shifts to you.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: God and the Imagination
May 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm
(May 31, 2013 at 1:56 am)Godschild Wrote: You make a claim that is church doctrine, where's your proof. Supply some please. Now you have said it's a fact there's no God, burden of proof shifts to you. Do you need the words "the burden of proof is on the positive claimant" tattooed on the insides of your eyelids or soemthing?
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RE: God and the Imagination
May 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Praetorian said that "Christian doctrine says this." That's a positive claim, and the claimant should provide something to back it. While I know that many people have used the "not ready" excuse when a prayer goes unanswered, I don't think it's official doctrine for any Christian denomination.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: God and the Imagination
May 31, 2013 at 10:20 pm
(May 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: (May 31, 2013 at 1:56 am)Godschild Wrote: You make a claim that is church doctrine, where's your proof. Supply some please. Now you have said it's a fact there's no God, burden of proof shifts to you. Do you need the words "the burden of proof is on the positive claimant" tattooed on the insides of your eyelids or soemthing?
Colanth made the positive statement God does not exist, thus proof of the positive statement needs proof, just because one has a negative attitude toward God doesn't mean they do not make positive statements against His existance, thus proof should be required.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: God and the Imagination
May 31, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Today, I prayed for a ham sandwich and a comfortable indoor temperature of 72 degrees fahrenheit. Bad news for you heathens, it looks like prayer really works.
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Re: RE: God and the Imagination
June 1, 2013 at 1:11 am
(May 31, 2013 at 10:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Do you need the words "the burden of proof is on the positive claimant" tattooed on the insides of your eyelids or soemthing?
Colanth made the positive statement God does not exist, thus proof of the positive statement needs proof, just because one has a negative attitude toward God doesn't mean they do not make positive statements against His existance, thus proof should be required. That's a negative claim. Obviously.
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RE: God and the Imagination
June 2, 2013 at 2:54 am
Two positives equal a negative! God doesn't exist! I win, you lose, now where's my samwich?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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