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[Godscreated]

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Why shouldn't women take responsibility for their bodies before hand, condoms would eliminate many abortions, abortions are harder on a women's body than prevention. It only seems reasonable doesn't, what woman doesn't know this, and this would also help in slowing down STD's. So until women can show responsibility for their bodies and quit killing innocent life, I'll be complaining. Yes I would rather see women and men practice abstinence according to God's will and if they did that too would be a choice.

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Why is it not wrong when God causes miscarriages?

He doesn't, what makes you think He does, Satan might.

Since I do not see this as a normal life even before I became a Christian, I still do not think homosexuals should have the right to marry, it's not natural and adds nothing to a society.

Abortion is murder and homosexuality is not part of the natural order.

The number of species which practice homosexual behavior is much larger than the number of species which practice religion. Therefore, religion is a worse evil than homosexuality.

Man is the only one who practices homosexual behavior. Now that last sentence of your's is that what you call logical?

God did not have to think it was important, in His omniscience He knew it was the only way to express real love.

I know you're too far gone to be phased by the truth, but there it is, nonetheless.

None of that is true as stated it was used out of context, just another ploy by those who hate God.

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The free will given us by God is about choosing between Him and ourselves, then the righteousness of God will either be a part of us or it want, if not then one may choose abortion. So you see it's not about choosing to do right and wrong, God showed that through the Israelites. It's about choosing to live in a relationship with Him and allowing His righteousness to be a part of our lives. Christians do not always do that and sometimes screw up royally. When we do we repent and try and return to a living relationship with Him.

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Demanding that a person ignore their own wants and desires and give them all their attention is not the foundation of a relationship based upon love. That's obsessive, controlling, frightening behavior, and all the more so when refusing that relationship means being punished.

I see you're not married. God does not ask us to give up all our wants and desire, actually He says He will help us to attain those that are not sinful or that may be bad for us. He will protect us from harmful desires if we will only listen. As far as refusing the relationship goes well, it means you desire to live in your sinful state and that sin is what one is punished for.

If God really gave humans free will, it would be the freedom to refuse his love without penalty. If God really loved people, he would not place so many ridiculous conditions upon it.

As I explained above one is punished for unforgiven sin, you reuse to live in a relationship with God means you choose to live in a sinful one according to God's righteousness. You will be judged against God's righteousness. God places nothing ridiculous on us, it's just that you want what's against the righteousness of God and those things are bad for you but, you get to choose.

The worst lies Christians tell always involve the word "love". Your God is not about love. Your God is about himself, and only himself. Only his will matters. Only his opinion is valid. You are a piece of shit and deserve nothing.

God does not poses an opinion that would go against His omniscience. God knows all that is right and all that is wrong. God is our creator and has the right to be glorified whether you want to believe it or not, it really has no bearing on this fact. You have no idea what I deserve, your hate for God and those who love Him is showing up more often now.

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God calls that type of relationship an abomination, how else should one who wants to live in a relationship with God disagree with His omniscient being. God says it is an unnatural relationship, He being the creator should know this correct? Do not misunderstand me I believe homosexuals should be afforded many of the rights we all do, except that of marriage and the things that come with that.

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God was okay with polygamy. Are you?

No and no.

I'm all for your expression of the free will God has given all of mankind, the problem here is you do not understand what that free will is. Let me explain, the free will God affords us is to choose between Him and ourselves as I said above and when I choose to accept Christ I have chosen to accept His righteousness and to support it even if it cost me this life. If you choose not to accept Christ, then you have rejected God's righteousness and will live as you want to and support what you see as right. Now here's the thing about this free will we have, when we make our choice for or against God all bets are off on choosing, there will be a punishment for choosing wrong no matter if you choose God or not. In other words your and my free will ends at our choice between God or ourselves. You want to twist God's love around to suit your choice of rejecting Him, it does not hold water with God.

You want to twist God's obsessive, murderous jealousy so that it resembles love.

I twist nothing about God's love, your hate for God blinds you to the truth.

[Savannahw]

Gay animals so exist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09...04190.html

[Ryantology]

He doesn't, what makes you think He does, Satan might.

Satan never physically kills anybody in the Bible except when God lets him do it in Job. God's the killer, not Satan.

Man is the only one who practices homosexual behavior. Now that last sentence of your's is that what you call logical?

There are over 1,500 species scientifically documented to engage in homosexual activities.

None of that is true as stated it was used out of context, just another ploy by those who hate God.

So, we are worthy of salvation? We aren't inferior to God? We don't need God to be better?

The problem is, you don't like the Christian message when it is stated honestly.

I see you're not married. God does not ask us to give up all our wants and desire, actually He says He will help us to attain those that are not sinful or that may be bad for us. He will protect us from harmful desires if we will only listen. As far as refusing the relationship goes well, it means you desire to live in your sinful state and that sin is what one is punished for.

I am married. And, I would not have married someone who demanded that I ignore myself, my wants, my desires. And this is what God wants. I've heard it enough from Christians here, and elsewhere, to know that every moment spent doing things for yourself is a moment spent not doing things for God.

As I explained above one is punished for unforgiven sin, you reuse to live in a relationship with God means you choose to live in a sinful one according to God's righteousness. You will be judged against God's righteousness. God places nothing ridiculous on us, it's just that you want what's against the righteousness of God and those things are bad for you but, you get to choose.

Making rules which force us to not behave in the ways he designed us to behave is ridiculous, not to mention, the worst sort of cruelty when you factor in the punishments.

God does not poses an opinion that would go against His omniscience. God knows all that is right and all that is wrong. God is our creator and has the right to be glorified whether you want to believe it or not, it really has no bearing on this fact. You have no idea what I deserve, your hate for God and those who love Him is showing up more often now.

God poses opinions very suspiciously similar to whoever is telling me what God's opinion is.

I don't hate your God, though I would if he was not fictional. I'm just taken aback by what sort of behaviors you are willing to call good and righteous. Homosexuality is an abomination, massacring infants and children because their unelected ruler is obstinate is something to be glorified.

No and no.

Why? God appears to have no problem with it? Why do you hate God?

I twist nothing about God's love, your hate for God blinds you to the truth.

In the sense that there is no love to twist, I agree with you. What you're doing is taking psychotic, controlling, and murderous behavior nobody would ever tolerate for a second in a human being and saying "it's not only acceptable, it's to be praised and worshiped".

[Godscreated]

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Why shouldn't women take responsibility for their bodies before hand, condoms would eliminate many abortions, abortions are harder on a women's body than prevention. It only seems reasonable doesn't, what woman doesn't know this, and this would also help in slowing down STD's. So until women can show responsibility for their bodies and quit killing innocent life, I'll be complaining. Yes I would rather see women and men practice abstinence according to God's will and if they did that too would be a choice.

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Oh, like women are never raped by strangers? Little girls are never raped by male family members, male friends of the family, or male authority figures?

What's your problem, we were not addressing those things, the statement was about responsible women, not those who are unfortunate to have such evil committed against them, Since you brought it up the life created by such evil acts had nothing to do with those acts, would you knowingly put a innocent person to death because someone else committed the crime. By your reasoning you would.

Whatever dude. In predominately catholic countries where they have illegalized abortion it's led to a higher death rate among pregnant women.

Hearsay, give proof.

Why? Because they place huge burdens on the doctors that they are not allowed to perform an abortion except under very strict and narrow reasons. The problem is that the doctors are so scared to be accused of performing an "illegal and unecessary" abortion and have their entire careers utterly destroyed, and face jail time, that they delay performing an abortion.

Hearsay, provide proof.

Even if it's an ectopic pregnancy, the woman has internal bleeding, the need to perform surgery is dire, needed without delay, that women die.

If the pregnancy would end the mothers life she should have the right to choose.

They fucking die. This is happening NOW in certain countries. It just happened to a woman in Ireland a month or two ago. It happens in a couple countries in South America on a regular basis.

Hearsay, bring proof, but like I said if the mothers life is in hangs in the balance she should have the choice to abort.

But let's forget the legitimate practioners.

Back alley abortions are a major cause of death, infections, all kinds of horrible injuries to women that are forced to seek unofficial abortion practioners. It happened in America too back when abortion was illegal.

That's exactly why I stated if women are responsible they would use prevention and abortions would not be necessary and STD's would be far less. Being responsible can eliminate many bad things. Living the life God desires for one can eliminate all kinds of bad things.

Since I do not see this as a normal life even before I became a Christian, I still do not think homosexuals should have the right to marry, it's not natural and adds nothing to a society.

Here's the difference between you theists and us atheists. I don't agree with you, ok, whatever. You don't agree with me you pass legislation illegalizing it.

That's the PROBLEM.

So I'm suppose to agree with you regardless, I'm suppose to except your beliefs, sounds like a dictator to me. Even if I were not a Christian I would vote against homosexuals getting married, I did not support it before I became a Christian. You're the one with the problem, when someone doesn't agree with you, you get bent out of shape well that's just not how it works in America.

You don't agree with gays getting married. Don't marry another member of your own gender. It's not your business to dictate to other people what they should do with THEIR life as long as they are not harming other people.

There is a problem, homosexual marriage is against the natural order as scripture says, God being creator says it is. It's not me who says it's wrong God does and I support that, it's my right as an individual, you however would take that right away to suit your own purpose.

Two grown, consenting men want to get married. You don't agree with it. Fine. Don't go to their wedding.

Believe me I wouldn't go.

But to illegalize it? How would you like gays dictating to YOU through law how you can live your life?

I do not live my life outside the natural order, what law would homosexuals pass against me.

Abortion is murder and homosexuality is not part of the natural order.

Once again, not everyone agrees with you. Including biological scientists. Until the higher brain functions kick on in the later part of pregnancy, it aint' a human.

So says you, God says the life is in the blood, and not long after conception the child has it's own blood type. I know many do not agree with me, that doesn't make them right, just ask all the unbelievers that use that argument.

If you were in a car wreck and lost all your higher brain functions, YOU are gone. Your body might still be breathing but your personality, your memories, your habits, it's all GONE. Everything that made you, you is gone. You aren't there any more. It's just a breathing corpse.

When the brain quits functioning you die without machines, children in the womb responded to many outside stimuli, scientist have shown that children speak in certain ways because of the way their mothers speak, they are listening to their mothers while in the womb.

You don't agree with this logic? That's fine. I am magnanimous enough to allow you to disagree and NOT take away your rights to do what you think is right.

Can the rest of us have the same courtesy from you?

I'm see you like to think highly of yourself, even above those who disagree with you. I haven't removed your right to think how you please, or act as you please. I will not however go against God on this issue, it is as far as I'm concerned unnatural.

God did not have to think it was important, in His omniscience He knew it was the only way to express real love.

First prove he exists. Then prove why he did what he did. Till then, whatever. You have as much proof as a Muslim. None.

I do not have to prove His existence, that's God's job and if you do not want to listen to Him ... well all I know to say it's your loss.

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The free will given us by God is about choosing between Him and ourselves, then the righteousness of God will either be a part of us or it want, if not then one may choose abortion. So you see it's not about choosing to do right and wrong, God showed that through the Israelites. It's about choosing to live in a relationship with Him and allowing His righteousness to be a part of our lives. Christians do not always do that and sometimes screw up royally. When we do we repent and try and return to a living relationship with Him.

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Dude, I grew up in church. My grandpa was a deacon. My mom has played Church piano for 50 years. I went every Sunday morning, evening, and Wednesday evening. I've had enough sermons.

Why are you crying to me dude, I'm a deacon and was a youth leader, my mother has been a part of the church for 75 years. None of this comparison has anything to do with your non relationship nor my relationship with God. A relationship with God is a personal experience I enjoy mine, and sorry it didn't work for you.

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God calls that type of relationship an abomination, how else should one who wants to live in a relationship with God disagree with His omniscient being. God says it is an unnatural relationship, He being the creator should know this correct? Do not misunderstand me I believe homosexuals should be afforded many of the rights we all do, except that of marriage and the things that come with that.

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Once again. Prove he exists first and foremost. Until you get that bare minimum of a starting point you're just babbling made up crap.

Thor calls you a turd. He says you must drink your own urine or you will not be worthy to join him in the clouds to hurl lightning bolts alongside of him.

Hey, we have the exact same level of legitimacy!

All I know to say to you at this point is we'll see when we die, one thing though if I'm right you'll wish you were forever dead.

Or do you want me to type it up, print it out, bind it, make a couple thousand copies, start a cult, raise some kids to believe it, and wait around for a couple centuries until my cult of Thor has a larger population than your cult of Yahweh?

Because that's pretty much how your cult of Yahweh started. Just some dudes scribbled it down, passed it around, taught it to their kids, and let the years roll by. "I believe it because mommy and daddy believe it and taught me about it! I'm going to do the same things to my kids!"

Go ahead, I for one would be interested to see how you do. Remember though you'll have to compare your success to that of the scriptures and within a few days of Pentecost the church grew to nearly 9000 members and today we sit at some 2 billion. You my friend have a step road to climb.

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He doesn't, what makes you think He does, Satan might.

Satan never physically kills anybody in the Bible except when God lets him do it in Job. God's the killer, not Satan.

God takes life through judgement only, now with this truth I believe even you can see that an unborn child has done nothing to be judged for. Satan has great power in this world, actually he owns it, if he did not he could not have offered it to Jesus when he tried to tempt Him. Satan was given much control over this world.

Man is the only one who practices homosexual behavior. Now that last sentence of your's, is that what you call logical?

There are over 1,500 species scientifically documented to engage in homosexual activities.

You'll need to bring some evidence of your statement, personally I've never seen other animals engaged in homosexual acts of any kind.wiki is not that reliable of a source.

None of that is true as stated it was used out of context, just another ploy by those who hate God.

So, we are worthy of salvation? We aren't inferior to God? We don't need God to be better?

The problem is, you don't like the Christian message when it is stated honestly.

I have to completely rely on God for my rightness, it comes from Him and I accept it freely, what you posted was to make God look like a dictator and you're wrong.

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I see you're not married. God does not ask us to give up all our wants and desire, actually He says He will help us to attain those that are not sinful or that may be bad for us. He will protect us from harmful desires if we will only listen. As far as refusing the relationship goes well, it means you desire to live in your sinful state and that sin is what one is punished for.

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I am married. And, I would not have married someone who demanded that I ignore myself, my wants, my desires. And this is what God wants. I've heard it enough from Christians here, and elsewhere, to know that every moment spent doing things for yourself is a moment spent not doing things for God.

Well I feel sorry for your wife since she had to give up the desires and wants she had. No two people will ever have the same wants and desires and there is not enough time and money in most marriages to meet all those desires so someone will have to give up some of their's. So you're the dictator of the marriage since you gave up nothing.
God wants us to enjoy life, all you need to do is read scriptures, it's when you say things like this I know you know little of scripture and even less about God.

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As I explained above one is punished for unforgiven sin, you reuse to live in a relationship with God means you choose to live in a sinful one according to God's righteousness. You will be judged against God's righteousness. God places nothing ridiculous on us, it's just that you want what's against the righteousness of God and those things are bad for you but, you get to choose.

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Making rules which force us to not behave in the ways he designed us to behave is ridiculous, not to mention, the worst sort of cruelty when you factor in the punishments.

God did not design you to sin, it is your choice in free will, stop choosing wrong and you want have to complain... keep on and receive what you have asked for, you know the consequences.

God does not poses an opinion that would go against His omniscience. God knows all that is right and all that is wrong. God is our creator and has the right to be glorified whether you want to believe it or not, it really has no bearing on this fact. You have no idea what I deserve, your hate for God and those who love Him is showing up more often now.

God poses opinions very suspiciously similar to whoever is telling me what God's opinion is.

No Christian tells you God has opinions, that would go against everything we believe. You must be thinking of your comrades in unbelief, sounds like things they would say, don't you think so.

I don't hate your God, though I would if he was not fictional. I'm just taken aback by what sort of behaviors you are willing to call good and righteous. Homosexuality is an abomination, massacring infants and children because their unelected ruler is obstinate is something to be glorified.

I do not believe in the doctrine of the elect that's a Calvinist belief and Scripture does not support it. If you study what Calvin says he contradicts himself, I was listening to a sermon on this today. So when the doctrine of the elect is out what's left, judgement. There could not be judgement if the doctrine of the elect were true.
Yes, you do hate God and those who believe in Him.

No and no.

Why? God appears to have no problem with it? Why do you hate God?

The only appearance is in your sick little head, and if I hated God I would be like you and I'm not like you, I'm a Christian who loves my God and take a stand with Him.

I twist nothing about God's love, your hate for God blinds you to the truth.

In the sense that there is no love to twist, I agree with you. What you're doing is taking psychotic, controlling, and murderous behavior nobody would ever tolerate for a second in a human being and saying "it's not only acceptable, it's to be praised and worshiped".

That's so irresponsible it does not deserve an answer, well I guess it does you are one sick puupy.

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Gay animals so exist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09...04190.html

So you talk to animals and they tell you their homosexuals, man do others know this about you, I think I would keep it to myself.

[Rahul]

Alright, Godschild.

I'll dredge up all the facts about how illegalizing abortion leads to a higher death rate among women. Including some pictures that are not for the faint of heart about the aftermath of illegal abortions.

I'm just not going to do it today. Because I'm having an enjoyable time with my wife and I'm not going to leave her for longer than a quick couple minutes to check in on things on the comp.

I mean you could do it for yourself. But Christians never look up facts. They just sit on their ass waiting for someone to spoon feed them their knowledge.

You know. Like you've done your entire life in church.

So don't trouble yourself. I got this.

See you on Monday.

[Savannahw]

haha Your FUNNY!! I was giving you a reliable source dealing with gay animals. If you can't accept that, it is on you.

[catfish]

Charles Carroll defended his racism with the bible, Catfish and godschild defend their homophobia with the bible.

I'm not homophobic ya bigot.

[Ryantology]

God takes life through judgement only, now with this truth I believe even you can see that an unborn child has done nothing to be judged for. Satan has great power in this world, actually he owns it, if he did not he could not have offered it to Jesus when he tried to tempt Him. Satan was given much control over this world.

1. Once again, Satan doesn't kill in the Bible, why should I take your word for it that he does now?

2. Satan has great power. Satan was given much control. Who is responsible for every single bad thing Satan does? The being which could eliminate Satan with a mere thought yet permits him to have control and power. The very fact that your omnipotent God allows Satan to exist is proof that the whole story of good and evil is a farce. Even if it all really did happen, God's playing both sides at best. Either God is weak and incapable of stopping Satan, or he is directly and ultimately responsible for every one of Satan's crimes.

You'll need to bring some evidence of your statement, personally I've never seen other animals engaged in homosexual acts of any kind.wiki is not that reliable of a source.

Wiki itself is not, however, each entry on the list is given a proper citation.

I have to completely rely on God for my rightness, it comes from Him and I accept it freely, what you posted was to make God look like a dictator and you're wrong.

It must suck to have to believe in a fictional character just to avoid being a mindlessly psychotic animal. I do not suffer from this particular affliction.

Well I feel sorry for your wife since she had to give up the desires and wants she had. No two people will ever have the same wants and desires and there is not enough time and money in most marriages to meet all those desires so someone will have to give up some of their's. So you're the dictator of the marriage since you gave up nothing.

Neither of us have given up anything. Neither of us have demanded that either of us give the other all their attention. Neither of us jealously control what the other does or who the other speaks to. Neither have made it a crime to want certain things or enjoy certain things which we have already enjoyed. We both live life pretty much as we did, only together.

God wants us to enjoy life, all you need to do is read scriptures, it's when you say things like this I know you know little of scripture and even less about God.

I think it is you who needs to read scripture. God does not want you to enjoy life. God, indeed, makes it plain that you are to consider this world to be filthy and sinful and do all you can do to avoid its pleasures and temptations. God makes it clear that the next life is what matters, not this one. God makes it clear that human life means nothing to him, what with there being many more commandments and direct activities which involve killing or harming humans than there are to love or help them. I have listed many examples of this in the past. I am beginning to think that you know almost nothing about your Bible and what's in it.

God did not design you to sin, it is your choice in free will, stop choosing wrong and you want have to complain... keep on and receive what you have asked for, you know the consequences.

Did God design me not to sin? Let's take a look at one example: Sex. Sex has a great many taboos and rules in your dogma, all sorts of sexual behaviors which are banned or restricted, ranging from absurd to vicious (while being conspicuously non-judgmental about the two sexual activities almost all humans regard as unacceptable: pedophilia and rape). All of them could have been entirely meaningless if God had made us able to reproduce in a way that was not pleasurable. He could have made it so that reproduction was only possible through prayer, if he had wanted to. He did not. He designed the human body to not only derive the most sublime physical pleasure a human can feel from sexual release, he made it so that our minds are wired to be constantly wanting it. He made it pleasurable, made us instinctively seek it for the majority of our lives... and then made up all sorts of rules designed purely to make it a crime to enjoy sex. If God didn't want men to fuck other men, he should not have given men buttholes which fit so nicely around a stiff cock. But, he did. So, it is ultimately all his fault, and it makes the sexual restrictions all the more cruel. You'll likely say "but he gave us free will", but I'll say fuck that. God didn't want man to fly under his own power, therefore God didn't give men wings. If God didn't want men enjoying buttsex with other men, he should have given men different physical equipment. Period.

No Christian tells you God has opinions, that would go against everything we believe. You must be thinking of your comrades in unbelief, sounds like things they would say, don't you think so.

It sounds like the way one my comrades in unbelief would phrase it: honestly. God's rules reflect his opinions. It is illogical to suggest otherwise.

I do not believe in the doctrine of the elect that's a Calvinist belief and Scripture does not support it. If you study what Calvin says he contradicts himself, I was listening to a sermon on this today. So when the doctrine of the elect is out what's left, judgement. There could not be judgement if the doctrine of the elect were true.
Yes, you do hate God and those who believe in Him.

I have had nothing to say about Calvinism, and the part of my post to which this is a direct reply did not address it at all.

I don't agree with Calvin. I don't agree with any of you. Your own interpretations of scripture are so amazingly different from what is on the pages of your scripture that you have no basis upon which to criticize anybody else's conclusions.

The only appearance is in your sick little head, and if I hated God I would be like you and I'm not like you, I'm a Christian who loves my God and take a stand with Him.

If you love your god then why do you hate a marriage practice he doesn't hate? Tell me, do you agree with God that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists, or that daughters should be sold into arranged marriages by their fathers?

That's so irresponsible it does not deserve an answer, well I guess it does you are one sick puupy.

The sick one among us is the one who endorses genocide, rape, and slavery, and I certainly do not endorse any of these activities.

So you talk to animals and they tell you their homosexuals, man do others know this about you, I think I would keep it to myself.

I would keep it to myself if I talked to invisible sky daddies and lived my life according to what I thought they were telling me.

[Brakeman]

Charles Carroll defended his racism with the bible, Catfish and godschild defend their homophobia with the bible.

I'm not homophobic ya bigot.

Yeah, sure.. this isn't a homophobic statement you made..

Gay marriage isn't illegal, what's the PROBLEM?

Semantics?

How many states legally recognize with all the rights and benefits thereof homosexual marriage in the United States of America?

[catfish]

I'm not homophobic ya bigot.

Yeah, sure.. this isn't a homophobic statement you made..

Semantics?

How many states legally recognize with all the rights and benefits thereof homosexual marriage in the United States of America?

It was a correction of incorrect facts.