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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 7:07 am
(June 9, 2013 at 4:27 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (June 5, 2013 at 11:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: Don't forget the awesome opportunity to have multiple gods, each with it's own pet universe...
Or multiple gods, each with lots of pet universes.
Non-overlapping universes.... overlapping universes... this could become fun...
Think of it as children playing:
- You can have one playing with LEGO (one god, one universe)
- One kid playing with transformers and hot wheels (one god, two universes)
- multiple kids playing with LEGOs, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Hot Wheels, and a few girls with their barbies and other baby dolls. Each kid in their corner with their toy.
- Or the same as above, but all kids playing together in an awesome toy brawl! Or just a few groups of kids playing together, while other kids play by themselves.
Ah... the possibilities are virtually limitless... and we, as a member of this particular universe, are unable to determine which is the real situation.... if any. We can't measure anything beyond our universe, last I checked... All these options are refuted in the proof
The only possible option (which I cannot prove) is to have one supreme God with some others below him but in this case they will be created by him,i.e. the only possible option is to have one (not created) God LOL, no.
Your proof takes the start of the big bang and the initial event... so it assumes that there is only one universe to begin with.
The possibility of multiple Universes ends your proof right at step 1.
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 7:15 am
(June 9, 2013 at 7:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Your proof takes the start of the big bang and the initial event... so it assumes that there is only one universe to begin with.
The possibility of multiple Universes ends your proof right at step 1. Sorry, you are wrong
My proof talks about first event (any event) it doesn't matter if there are 100 or million universes
One of them must be the start and creating it must be the first event from a single unique God.
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 7:20 am
(June 9, 2013 at 7:15 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (June 9, 2013 at 7:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Your proof takes the start of the big bang and the initial event... so it assumes that there is only one universe to begin with.
The possibility of multiple Universes ends your proof right at step 1. Sorry, you are wrong
My proof talks about first event (any event) it doesn't matter if there are 100 or million universes
One of them must be the start and creating it must be the first event from a single unique God. lol, first event of our Universe I can buy that....
First event of whatever there is besides our universe... that... you can't claim anything about it. So your proof dies at step 1, again.
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 8:46 am
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(June 9, 2013 at 7:15 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: One of them must be the start and creating it must be the first event from a single unique God.
If God doesn't need a start, then you are allowing it to be said that something may exist which doesn't need a start. If things may exist which do not need a start, then why add a new piece to an already broken puzzle? Why not just believe that the universe has always existed?
You are saying "X is impossible. God achieves X." Therefore, X is not impossible, and the rest of your argument is meaningless. I might just as well say, "This sentence is false. . . thanks to God."
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 11:07 am
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Quote:All these options are refuted in the proof
The only possible option (which I cannot prove) is to have one supreme God with some others below him but in this case they will be created by him,i.e. the only possible option is to have one (not created) God
So then it is possible for god to have been created by another god who he doesn't know about?
Quote:But to say that God himself is inside time, this will imply that some events happens within himself (i.e. for us it is our heart beating or blood flow or signals in our nerves)
For God this will be impossible as it require a first event as well (i.e. created) which is impossible.
Does this mean god had no conscious flow of thought before the big bang? If so then how did he decide to start the big bang if events such as thoughts within him are impossible before the first event?
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm
This thread has evolved from Proving God Existence to Proving Muslim Scholar Logic is wrong .
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 10, 2013 at 1:19 am
(June 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm)little_monkey Wrote: This thread has evolved from Proving God Existence to Proving Muslim Scholar Logic is wrong .
It's going rather well? 
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 10, 2013 at 1:30 am
He/She/It logic keeps morphing to encompass the fallacy of the so called logic evidence.
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 10, 2013 at 1:32 am
Forum is still trying to determine if MS is legit or just a very good troll?
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RE: Proving God Existence
June 10, 2013 at 1:32 am
(June 10, 2013 at 1:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Forum is still trying to determine if MS is legit or just a very good troll?
Poe's Law, it really doesn't matter at this point.
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