Childhood indoctrination

[Rahul]

So you are saying animals are not transported to centralized slaughterhouses? I was told it wasn't even legal to slaughter animals (except a capped # of chickens) on the farm, for everything else you need special facilities (i.e. transport).

Yeah, my dad loads them up in a cattle trailer and drives them 30 miles to a mennonite owned and operated processing shop. One of my very best friends from high school works there as a butcher.

Here's an article (not PETA, and also not about the US) about animal transport.

So if we make the transportation of the animal to the processing center more enjoyable for the critters your objections would vanish?

I don't think they would. Therefore why are you bringing this up? Seems like a waste of talking points.

[KichigaiNeko]

http://atheistforums.org/thread-19317-po...#pid461231

Full disclosure: I'm not really indian I only appreciate the respect/reverence many Native American people have for the planet and its non-human inhabitants.

You do realise Endie these "Native Americans" were hunters first, vegetarians second?

[littleendian]

So if we make the transportation of the animal to the processing center more enjoyable for the critters your objections would vanish?

No, and see the rest of the discussion for many other things that are terribly wrong with animal agriculture, this is just one gruesome aspect of the entire nightmare.

[Silver]

We have a choice, the wolf does not. There's plenty of very good scientific evidence...

Of course the wolf has a choice. It eats or it dies. The wolf has the same choice that we have.

There is plenty of evidence that anal is a healthy sexual activity, but I do not see all men bending over to engage in it.

[littleendian]

You do realise Endie these "Native Americans" were hunters first, vegetarians second?

Of course, but this is not about ancient cultures, this is about us and our behaviours today.

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Of course the wolf has a choice. It eats or it dies. The wolf has the same choice that we have.

That's not a choice and you know it. Not all of us maybe, but certainly most of us can choose to live on either diet, it's not a choice between living and dying (except for the food animal).

There is plenty of evidence that anal is a healthy sexual activity, but I do not see all men engaging in it.

Eh... what? Strawman... I think (?) If you're talking about two consenting adults then your example has no (negative) consequences for anyone, quite the opposite to animal agriculture.

[Rahul]

No, and see the rest of the discussion for many other things that are terribly wrong with animal agriculture, this is just one gruesome aspect of the entire nightmare.

Well you will be happy to hear that this supposed gruesome aspect of making me a steak has never been witnessed by my eyes. The cows spend 99% of their life wandering around pastures munching on grass, eating healthy feed we put out for them, innoculated and protected from parasite, disease, and predators, then a quick trip to the processing center and swift bolt to the head.

Now hand me that charcoal.

[Silver]

Rather than persist in arguing with someone who clearly believes an animal's life is more important than a human's life, I am going to end my participation in this thread with Meat is yummy and I will eat the satisfying juiciness to my heart's content.

[littleendian]

Rather than persist in arguing with someone who clearly believes an animal's life is more important than a human's life

Strawman. It's not an either or, you can let others live and stay alive yourself.

[NoraBrimstone]

This thread has totally convinced me that I will force my kids not to eat meat, even when they are old enough to decide for themselves. I'm unsure how I should punish them if they disobey me. What do you fine people suggest?

[Rahul]

This thread has totally convinced me that I will force my kids not to eat meat, even when they are old enough to decide for themselves. I'm unsure how I should punish them if they disobey me. What do you fine people suggest?

I'd say they were already being punished.