Government is Irrational.

[CleanShavenJesus]

....what? It's not an example of purely my feelings. It's an example of how useful and helpful the government can be. What's with the religion comparison?

Also, what was my claim and what evidence do I need to provide?

Anecdotal evidence does not hold up in a debate.

I call it proof. But call it whatever you want as long as it means you're right.

[Koolay]

Hey Koolay, is that you in the photo? You look like the kind of businessman that has a vested interest in selling people an ideology so that you can fuck them in ass and take off with the money.

Maybe you want us to hate government because they are a competitor in your ball game?

I run a voluntary institute that voluntarily convinces people to voluntarily purchase goods and services. The government is involuntary. That's like saying a love maker is competing with a rapist. Or a trader is competing with a thief.

No. I am competing with other non coercive entities.

[Something completely different]

I run a voluntary institute that voluntarily convinces people to voluntarily purchase goods and services. The government is involuntary. That's like saying a love maker is competing with a rapist. Or a trader is competing with a thief.

is it due to my lacking english skills or does this equasion simply not compute?


my guess is that he`s a troll using a random pic he found on the net.

[bennyboy]

The idea that evil is pre-determined is not true.

It has been well established that you can only have an epigenetic disposition to violent behaviour more than others. But it is only triggered after traumatic experiences. If you don't have the trauma / abuse, then it's not a concern.

Like you could have a family history and disposition to heart disease, but if you exercise regularly and eat low fat then you don't have anything to worry about.

On an individual level, anything is possible. But when you collect enough individuals, the statistics become unavoidable. Yes, a person with an evil family COULD avoid being similarly bad. But he probably won't.

And here's what you're not getting-- chance itself is enough to lead to hatred and enmity. What happens if two boys are playing by a river, and one of them drowns? The dead boy's family resents the other. What happens if two young men love the same girl? The losing suitor is likely to be bitter, especially if there are no other girls of similar quality around.

And why is this? Evolution. The evils of humanity are also responsible for our greatest genetic successes. Rape, murder, jealousy-- they have all led to our existence.

That's what government does. It acts as a communal insurance against those types of evils. It mediates their effect and establishes common goals and values.

In anarchy, if I was disposed to rape a girl, I'd size up her father, decide if I could take him, and if I thought I could I'd rape her. I cannot possibly size up a city's police force and think I'm likely to win a confrontation. That's government, and that's a good thing.

[Rahul]

According to you? you didn't answer my question, how do you know that he had a happy childhood?

You're not one of those jerks that unless the person you are talking to personally did the research then all the research that has been conducted by professionals is invalidated are you?

Because that's just lame.

Psychologists and Criminal Profilers have looked under every rock in his life.

The end goal of so much study going into serial killers is a hope to identify individuals that are at risk before they start killing. Most serial killers exhibit a triad of symptoms as kids.

First, many of them had a head injury as a child. Second, a fascination with fire. Third, wetting the bed.

They usually have one domineering and abusive parent. Oddly enough several of them were humilated by their parents making them wear dresses in public at one point of their childhood.

Anyway, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't seem to match the usual profile. So the professionals really dug through his past to try and find out what they were missing. Turns out they couldn't find anything.

His childhood just didn't match the normal psychological or behavioral profile.

Jeffrey Dahmer: A Happy Little Boy

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seria...er/14.html

[Koolay]

The idea that evil is pre-determined is not true.

It has been well established that you can only have an epigenetic disposition to violent behaviour more than others. But it is only triggered after traumatic experiences. If you don't have the trauma / abuse, then it's not a concern.

Like you could have a family history and disposition to heart disease, but if you exercise regularly and eat low fat then you don't have anything to worry about.

On an individual level, anything is possible. But when you collect enough individuals, the statistics become unavoidable. Yes, a person with an evil family COULD avoid being similarly bad. But he probably won't.

And here's what you're not getting-- chance itself is enough to lead to hatred and enmity. What happens if two boys are playing by a river, and one of them drowns? The dead boy's family resents the other. What happens if two young men love the same girl? The losing suitor is likely to be bitter, especially if there are no other girls of similar quality around.

And why is this? Evolution. The evils of humanity are also responsible for our greatest genetic successes. Rape, murder, jealousy-- they have all led to our existence.

That's what government does. It acts as a communal insurance against those types of evils. It mediates their effect and establishes common goals and values.

In anarchy, if I was disposed to rape a girl, I'd size up her father, decide if I could take him, and if I thought I could I'd rape her. I cannot possibly size up a city's police force and think I'm likely to win a confrontation. That's government, and that's a good thing.

So you are saying that you are not in control of your own behaviour?

No, Government are just a band of thieves that have deluded desperate people into thinking that more rights taken away and more predation will give people the effects of freedom. Government is against minorities and the weakest members of society, it seeks to destroy voluntarism and peaceful negotiation with predatory coercion.

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According to you? you didn't answer my question, how do you know that he had a happy childhood?

You're not one of those jerks that unless the person you are talking to personally did the research then all the research that has been conducted by professionals is invalidated are you?

Because that's just lame.

Psychologists and Criminal Profilers have looked under every rock in his life.

The end goal of so much study going into serial killers is a hope to identify individuals that are at risk before they start killing. Most serial killers exhibit a triad of symptoms as kids.

First, many of them had a head injury as a child. Second, a fascination with fire. Third, wetting the bed.

They usually have one domineering and abusive parent. Oddly enough several of them were humilated by their parents making them wear dresses in public at one point of their childhood.

Anyway, Jeffrey Dahmer didn't seem to match the usual profile. So the professionals really dug through his past to try and find out what they were missing. Turns out they couldn't find anything.

His childhood just didn't match the normal psychological or behavioral profile.

Jeffrey Dahmer: A Happy Little Boy

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seria...er/14.html

According to who? the accounts who? the parents? the teachers? the priests? Do you have any scepticism of those that raised a serial killer?

[LostLocke]

So you are saying that you are not in control of your own behaviour?

Are you implying that everybody is in control of their emotions at all times?

[bennyboy]

So you are saying that you are not in control of your own behaviour?

Are you saying derpa-derp?

No, Government are just a band of thieves that have deluded desperate people into thinking that more rights taken away and more predation will give people the effects of freedom. Government is against minorities and the weakest members of society, it seeks to destroy voluntarism and peaceful negotiation with predatory coercion.

Big-G "Government" is just the conspiracy nut's word for "Devil." You treat it as an organic entity, representative of maximal evil.

As for your rant of superlatives and over-generalizations: if you think your goverment (I'm 99% sure you're talking about America, here) is evil, then you are fortunate enough not to have seen what real evil looks like.

Here's a hint: if you have a computer, an internet service, a roof over your head, and enough free time to rant about your government, it is not as evil as you think it is. Because I guarantee if you go to an ACTUALLY anarchic society, you'll have none of those things. So go grab a couple Twinkies, watch some nice free internet porn, and rave about how it's the government's fault that you choose to spend all your free time reading conspiracy sites instead of ACTUALLY volunteering to make your community and your country a better place for those "deluded desperate people" to live in. That's your choice.

And the fact that you have that choice is the point.

[Rahul]

According to who? the accounts who? the parents? the teachers? the priests? Do you have any scepticism of those that raised a serial killer?

Gotcha. You're one of those who raises impossibly high levels of skepticism against those that raise points you don't like while not keeping your own side of the debate to the same standard.

Check.

Have a nice life.

[Koolay]

According to who? the accounts who? the parents? the teachers? the priests? Do you have any scepticism of those that raised a serial killer?

Gotcha. You're one of those who raises impossibly high levels of skepticism against those that raise points you don't like while not keeping your own side of the debate to the same standard.

Check.

Have a nice life.

No I am sceptical of those that raise and produce evil people. Your unquestioning belief that people that produce the worst of humanity are going to be truthful to their suspected crimes in an interview... come on.

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So you are saying that you are not in control of your own behaviour?

Are you implying that everybody is in control of their emotions at all times?

Emotions are involuntary defence mechanisms of the person, behaviour however is not, and is always in control. You can get angry and do something productive with that anger, exercise, work, art, etc rather than harming yourself and others.

Trying to control emotions is like trying to hold back the sea with an umbrella.

Behaviour is not; The liar can stop lying at any time. The child abuser can stop abusing at any time. The thief can stop stealing at any time. That's what makes it so painful to be on the receiving end.

Thank you for the good question, I had to think about it...