Zimmerman verdict: Not Guilty.

[Rahul]

Ya shoulda kept reading the thread. You'd've seen my admission of idiocy around page 10 or so.

Yeah, sorry about that, dude. My bad.

[Red Celt]

Besides, I kind of understand that Zimmermann guy. In most societies, members of a certain ethnic minority can be involved in the majority of the crime in the said country. In the US, it's the black and hispanic minority, in Britain, the Scottish and recent immigrants raise the said banner, in Hungary(and indeed, much of the Balkans) the Gypsies are the problem.

hock:

This made me stop and re-read the whole paragraph again.

You are working from zero knowledge, zero information and zero clue. A clue for the clueless... don't make up shit in order to justify your position, which (in loose translation) was: "kill all the gypsies".

[Rahul]

Oh, haven't you ever heard the term to Get Away Scot Free?

[Creed of Heresy]

Haha, it's fine. It wasn't so amazing for my ego, but then, admitting one is wrong is a hard thing to do. Still...the evidence is pretty clear on that point.

Nobody can deny it's a tragedy this kid was shot and killed. But the kid was responsible for his own actions. If he'd gotten away, he should've stayed away instead of getting into a confrontation. And it's a strange coincidence that the spate of burglaries in that area that had been taking place suddenly stopped, too...

[Rahul]

Haha, it's fine. It wasn't so amazing for my ego, but then, admitting one is wrong is a hard thing to do. Still...the evidence is pretty clear on that point.

Nobody can deny it's a tragedy this kid was shot and killed. But the kid was responsible for his own actions. If he'd gotten away, he should've stayed away instead of getting into a confrontation. And it's a strange coincidence that the spate of burglaries in that area that had been taking place suddenly stopped, too...

Yeah, that's the most impressive quality anyone could have. I try to be that way myself. Sometimes I fail. But I usually always still think over my position after an argument and try to figure out if I was wrong. Even if I don't admit it to the person.

Kudos for being a wise Homo sapiens.

[Tonus]

You are working from zero knowledge, zero information and zero clue. A clue for the clueless... don't make up shit in order to justify your position

I think he's a theist. In which case, you're kind of asking water not to be wet.

[paulpablo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

This is a video about it, I've been approached by the police uniformed and plain clothed before and never had any problem with them, never felt the need to beat them or get into a fight or anything ever.

Even when I used to smoke weed and had weed in my pocket, plenty of times I've spoke to police just asking me why am I walking down a certain road or have I been walking in this area tonight and I've just answered the questions and they haven't even searched me or caused me any trouble in anyway.

[Jackalope]

Wait, what? Someone admitted to being wrong?

On the Internet?!?!?!?!

Impossible!

[bladevalant546]

AS someone who watched the case and reviewed all the evidence that was publicly presented. The verdict stands as stated, Zimmerman IS NOT guilty of 2nd degree murder/voluntary manslaughter.

Definitions: 2nd degree murder-is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Voluntary manslaughter-(often referred to as third degree murder), sometimes called a "Heat of Passion" murder, is any intentional killing that involved no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed." Both this and second degree murder are committed on the spot, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter-stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional," because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

The case:

As stated in the case, it was said that Zimmerman being the captain of the neighborhood watch was patrolling and he saw a Adolescent African (decent) american walking through yards (trespassing FYI) and allegedly looking through windows. This person fit a description of another assailant that already had been breaking into houses. Zimmerman then called the police and told them of the behavior, after which the dispatcher (NOT THE POLICE) told Zimmerman after he himself said he was following the kid (distance unknown, but apparently was not full on tailing) that it was not necessary. The dispatcher did not say DO NOT follow, but not told him that it was not needed. After a while according to Zimmerman, after a possible minor confrontation, Zimmerman started to walk away. Martin then according to Zimmerman jumped out of a dark area and started to beat him. In fear of his life Zimmerman shot Martin, not really aiming and hit his heart, and killing Martin.

That is the story in a nutshell from what I remember. The prosecution stated it was 2nd degree murder, however based on eyewitnesses, phone calls, self defense and ballistics experts, and Zimmerman's own injuries. The evidence does not hint at a crime of passion, or intention to kill. If that were the case then the shot would not have come with Martin on top of Zimmerman as science stated. The prosecution wanted a murder charge, however the evidence by the position of the bullet, and injuries sustained by Zimmerman, it is doubtful that it was intentional murder. The evidence however points to involuntary man slaughter with a charge of assault with a deadly weapon, why? Zimmerman DID not identify himself as the neighborhood watch, and he was too trespassing in an attempt to tail Martin. Martin did not according to the witness on the phone (whom was discredited fyi) found that Martin did not attempt a peaceful engagement, or simple dialogue. This should have been an open and closed case based on the evidence. If I was on the jury myself (I am half Turkish and half white, genetically I am less white than most Black folks) I would have found Zimmerman not guilty of 2nd Degree murder, however I would have charged with involuntary manslaughter and assault with a deadly weapon or excessive force.

But this was a distraction to a bigger case people.....Boston bomber trial. Which has tons of illegal treatment of am American citizen and foggy evidence. With that said, race needs to be defined by genetics. I am sick and tired of people defining by color. Most blacks nowadays have very little African in them. The skin color is merely a single dominate trait, therefore there are very little "African Americans". I also like to make mention that there are smaller minorities that was often not allowed to make themselves as minorities simply because of "skin color". I cannot in a census classify myself as Middle Eastern or Turkish, even though I carry no less than third Turkish genetics. Now is there a racial issue in this country there is. However it is not as cut and dry, there is racism on both sides of the fence. You still have classical "white on black" racism. However you will see large cases of "reverse" racism. Much like sexism, we need to stop defining discrimination as "race" or "sex" and fight it at it roots. It is ignorance and fear, and it is predicated on simple discrimination of differences. The solution will never be found if we continue to focus on things a group by group bases. As Martin Luther King Jr. stated "I have a dream that man will not judge by the color of the skin but of content of ones character." We need to grow to learn from each other, and this case shows that both sides are unwilling to let these racial tensions go and unite against the condition of our world. Instead the media insights hatred and continues to make us face each other instead real enemies of humanity. *Rant Over*

[A Theist]

Haha, it's fine. It wasn't so amazing for my ego, but then, admitting one is wrong is a hard thing to do. Still...the evidence is pretty clear on that point.

Nobody can deny it's a tragedy this kid was shot and killed. But the kid was responsible for his own actions. If he'd gotten away, he should've stayed away instead of getting into a confrontation. And it's a strange coincidence that the spate of burglaries in that area that had been taking place suddenly stopped, too...

Haha, it's fine. It wasn't so amazing for my ego, but then, admitting one is wrong is a hard thing to do.

Well done nonetheless Creed...hmmmm, haven't heard Min weighing in on this for a while. I wonder if he could possibly have re-evaluated the evidence and changed his position too...