God Is Evil

[Faith No More]

It's interesting because this was in the link that Drich posted for the definition of 'agape'...

This love is selfless; it gives and expects nothing in return.

That doesn't sound like what Drich is peddling. In fact, it sounds quite the opposite.

[Drich]

Okay, I got it; the only way you can define god's disposition as loving is to completely twist the meaning of the word into something it's not.

The defination for Agape' is long standing. a lot longer and far more established than your defination of love. Which means from an objective pov, that it is you who has changed the meaning of the word Love, to not include Agape.

Again, there's this selective interpretation of the details of this story; god's the father who can't stand being around his children unless they're constantly groveling at his feet. His "great gift" that's so perfectly loving and all... is simply being around him. And you call it a sacrifice?

How is it that you assume all of "us" are His children?

That's not love. That's ego.

No. Love provides the same oppertunity to the Children of God as it does for the 'tares, the goats, the weeds, the chaff' (All of the things Christ compared non-children of God to) For God so loved the World, that He provided the same oppertunity in Christ for all of us.

I'm really not surprised that a christian would mix those two up, but come on; the english language puts up with enough already in the age of YOLO, let's not torture it any more.

Again we are not speaking of the 'english' translation of the bible. To only look at the bible in english is a mistake, fore too much is lost assuming that the words printed in english are to be taken from a modern perspective.

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It's interesting because this was in the link that Drich posted for the definition of 'agape'...

This love is selfless; it gives and expects nothing in return.

That doesn't sound like what Drich is peddling. In fact, it sounds quite the opposite.

what can you possiably give God in exchange for the gift of eternal salvation?

[Faith No More]

what can you possiably give God in exchange for the gift of eternal salvation?

According to the link you presented, I shouldn't have to. Agape gives with no expectations of anything in return.

[Whateverist]

The character of God in the bible is proof once more that absolute power corrupts absolutely. But this God is no more evil than you and I. Like Sauron, He is just too powerful for his own good. Frankly I like the Lord of the Rings story a bit more but both sure do bog down in minutia more than I like.

[John V]

Where do you get that?

By being honest with my application of the concept of worship.

How about some Biblical references?

This is a frequent charge of atheists, but I don't see where they get it. In Eden, A&E aren't shown to be groveling. In the law, there were a few festivals during the year - hardly constant groveling. Most Christians today go to church for about an hour a week, if that. Where is this constant groveling?

[Ryantology]

By being honest with my application of the concept of worship.

How about some Biblical references?

This is a frequent charge of atheists, but I don't see where they get it. In Eden, A&E aren't shown to be groveling. In the law, there were a few festivals during the year - hardly constant groveling. Most Christians today go to church for about an hour a week, if that. Where is this constant groveling?

Nowhere, in practice, but the fact that no Christian bothers putting forth even a fraction of the effort demanded by God, that demand still exists.

And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

This is, in fact, referred to as the 'most important' commandment, above all others. But, you all half-ass that, at best, because you're too concerned about the utterly selfish concerns of being rewarded with mansions in heaven and life everlasting. God doesn't come across as someone who is impressed with the mere lip service virtually every one of his followers offer, and that's one reason why none of you are going to heaven any more than I am.

[ronedee]

Nowhere, in practice, but the fact that no Christian bothers putting forth even a fraction of the effort demanded by God, that demand still exists.

And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

This is, in fact, referred to as the 'most important' commandment, above all others. But, you all half-ass that, at best, because you're too concerned about the utterly selfish concerns of being rewarded with mansions in heaven and life everlasting. God doesn't come across as someone who is impressed with the mere lip service virtually every one of his followers offer, and that's one reason why none of you are going to heaven any more than I am.

Damn straight! And this has been argument about a lot of Catholics and Christians (not John V.) for years!!

We need people like you to get the word out Ryan! I could probably get a slot for you for next Sunday's sermon!

[John V]

How about some Biblical references?

This is a frequent charge of atheists, but I don't see where they get it. In Eden, A&E aren't shown to be groveling. In the law, there were a few festivals during the year - hardly constant groveling. Most Christians today go to church for about an hour a week, if that. Where is this constant groveling?

Nowhere, in practice, but the fact that no Christian bothers putting forth even a fraction of the effort demanded by God, that demand still exists.

I disagree that love means constant groveling. Can you support that position? Again, the same law that gave the commandment you reference specified a few festivals of worship each year (which were also breaks for the participants). It does not have constant groveling requirements. Therefore, it seems that love in the commandment doesn't mean constant groveling. You guys want to think that for some reason, but it's just not required Biblically.

[Tonus]

Again we are not speaking of the 'english' translation of the bible. To only look at the bible in english is a mistake, fore too much is lost assuming that the words printed in english are to be taken from a modern perspective.

You would think that the god who is directly responsible for the many languages that we have would have made sure to write a book that could retain its meaning when translated into any of them.

[smax]

Until recently (the last few years or so) I always felt that the false god of the bible was, of course a narcissistic douche bag, but at least he did actually represent the "good" where good and evil are recognized as opposite forces. I just sort of figured that his massive shortcomings were the result of being created by flawed, uneducated humans. I no longer feel this way. No one can get this kind of a pass for being such a horrible being.

Working from the ridiculous premise that the Bible is actually true I can only conclude the following: God is pure evil.
God is the source of evil. God even prefers evil. He perpetuates evil. God is the bad guy, and evil won.




He created the tree in the garden. (Creation of evil)
He created Lucifer, knowing full well that he would become the Devil. (Perpetuation of evil)
He didn't destroy the Devil, he put him on earth to introduce us to tons of evil. (God likes evil)
He wanted man to fall (as Drich has pointed out often) so as to continue pushing evil like a drug dealer.

On an on he went through history doing horrific things when he always knew the outcome: Abraham sacrificing his own son. The condoning of slavery and severe brutal tortures and killings for ridiculous rules. The condoned raping, forced abortions, and killing of countless women and children. Drowning the entire planet, only to rebuild it with NO changes made. On an on it goes right down to the fact that it was all still never enough - so he made hell to make sure that he can perpetuate evil throughout eternity. He made hell!! Can there be a being more evil than that??

No.
God is evil. Apologists and halfwits simply assigned him the title of "good" and then act indignant when you call his actions what they actually are.

You might as well assign me the title of Saint. It has just as much legitimacy ... maybe more, because at least I haven't killed anyone and I don't want to burn anyone with a blowtorch simply on the grounds that they've never met me and told me they loved me.


I submit that there is no greater evil than the god of the bible.

True story, and good post.

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You would think that the god who is directly responsible for the many languages that we have would have made sure to write a book that could retain its meaning when translated into any of them.

That would be too God-like.