Indeed, so long as we don't commit the naturalist fallacy 
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Perfection!
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After I stopped being arrogant, I've become perfect.
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Leo van Miert Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you 
There's nothing I'm proud about what-so-ever.
Well, actually, I am a bit wrong there... I think that actually if I'm to be proud of anything it's the fact that I'm such a fucking beautifully modest, brilliantly humble and noble person who is never in the slightest bit big-headed and never jealous of anyone - and never resents anybody... I guess this makes me awesome  EvF  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Yes you're always fucking going on about it Evie
I'll go with ZB on this one
"Depends where the thought takes you" Also, "perfection is a human value judgment call" ..it really depends. 
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
 RE: Perfection!
January 19, 2010 at 3:15 am
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2010 at 3:16 am by TruthWorthy.)
I'm just wondering if reality is perfect.
Everything is subject to it, so could you call reality perfect? Coming soon: Banner image-link to new anti-islam forum.
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Can't reality be perfectly imperfect?? "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
No.
Principles of reality. Yes. Maybe imperfect in isolation where effective functioning isn't apparent. I meant the 1st though. Coming soon: Banner image-link to new anti-islam forum.
 RE: Perfection!
January 19, 2010 at 4:35 am
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2010 at 4:35 am by ib.me.ub.)
(January 18, 2010 at 7:41 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Either nothing or everything is perfect. Because either nothing or everything has 'flaws'.... if you want an objective perspective on this that is. Because since 'flaws' are entirely man made concepts and since perfection= "without flaws", then 'perfection' is an entirely subjective concept and value just like 'flaws'. So, being a complete nihilist when it comes to all objective values, I don't believe that anything is at all perfect in an objective sense (or you might as well say "everything is perfect", that's equally meaningless - it's basically the same thing just with opposite wording!) - just as how I don't believe that anything at all has 'flaws' in an objective sense. Why? Because I don't believe I know of the existence of any for any objective values whatsoever. I don't understand! I am wondering if nature has flaws. An example would be an evolution of a life from in the wrong direction, therefore the life form would become extinct because it is flawed. (January 18, 2010 at 7:43 am)LEDO Wrote: Perfect is an artificial word because it is only defined and judged by humans. I consider nature to be "perfect" hence I am perfect and everything I do is perfect, even when it is "wrong." How can you be so sure it is only defined and judged by humans! (January 19, 2010 at 3:06 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I'll go with ZB on this one How can you be so sure it is only human! (January 19, 2010 at 3:15 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: I'm just wondering if reality is perfect. Do you mean reality as in everything! I believe reality is flawed. As in some things out there are not perfect, without flaw or unifrom. (January 19, 2010 at 4:35 am)ib.me.ub Wrote:(January 18, 2010 at 7:41 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Either nothing or everything is perfect. Because either nothing or everything has 'flaws'.... if you want an objective perspective on this that is. Because since 'flaws' are entirely man made concepts and since perfection= "without flaws", then 'perfection' is an entirely subjective concept and value just like 'flaws'. So, being a complete nihilist when it comes to all objective values, I don't believe that anything is at all perfect in an objective sense (or you might as well say "everything is perfect", that's equally meaningless - it's basically the same thing just with opposite wording!) - just as how I don't believe that anything at all has 'flaws' in an objective sense. Why? Because I don't believe I know of the existence of any for any objective values whatsoever. Silly..YOU are the one raising the question ...am I incorrect in assuming that you are human?? Nature and all that you see around you is 'imperfect' for a given value. I would think that perfection is an idea construct ...totally unattainable. What we live in is a work in progress.... mind you i havn't spoken to any genes lately. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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