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[Minimalist]

In Sandy Hook the perp killed his mother and took her guns which she had legally.

This is why the problem is that there are too many guns floating around and someone motivated enough will always get one.

I'm in favor of any law which takes guns and throws them to the bottom of the ocean.

[Zazzy]

In Sandy Hook the perp killed his mother and took her guns which she had legally.

And we should dig her dead body up and beat it. She KNEW her son was crazy, and she still kept guns where he could get at them. SHE is the one responsible for Sandy Hook.

[StuW]

I tend to agree with Min, you only have to look at the difference between gun related death rates in countries like US vs UK to see how much difference more restrictive gun control makes.

[Minimalist]

I'm confused about where to put this one so I'll just put it here.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/no...?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- A 2-year-old girl fatally shot herself in Fayetteville, North Carolina, over the weekend, and the toddler's father faces involuntary manslaughter charges, police said.

Melvin Andre Clark Jr., 19, who was arrested Sunday, also was charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, Fayetteville police spokesman Lt. Todd Joyce said.

Ah ha! Fairly straightforward, eh?

But wait......

Just six months ago....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...g/2064627/

LEBANON, Tenn. — A 4-year-old who picked up a gun at a family cookout killed the wife of a Wilson County sheriff's deputy, authorities said Monday.

Josephine G. Fanning, 48, died Saturday at her home about 7 miles south of Lebanon, according to the Wilson County Sheriff's Office.

The shooting occurred while her husband, Wilson County Deputy Daniel Fanning, 51, was with another relative looking at guns in a bedroom of their home, according to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

The 4-year-old and Josephine Fanning walked into the bedroom where a loaded weapon was on top of the bed, TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm said. The boy picked up the gun and fired one round that struck Josephine Fanning.

No charges are pending, but the state is continuing to investigate, Helm said.

"(It) appears accidental at this time," Helm said.

So, when there is a cop involved it is "accidental" and a terrible tragedy. But when it is a civilian it is involuntary manslaughter?
Both men owned the guns in question. Both failed to properly secure them. Neither pulled the trigger. But we get a vastly disparate outcome thanks to our marvelous judicial system!

[pocaracas]

A few weeks back, a kid went on a shooting spree, in a school in Portugal... only one person was injured... you know why?!





wait for it...





This is gonna be good!






Take notes, US of A















ALL the LITTLE BUGGER HAD ACCESS TO WAS A F'IN KNIFE!

[Cinjin]

It's such a nasty quagmire we've created:

Amending our constitution won't work. Even if one was successful at getting rid of our right to bear arms, there's so many guns in this country that all the guns grandfathered in would number in the hundreds of millions. We wouldn't see the effect of such legislation for 200 years, and even then it's likely the USA won't even be around at that point, so it wouldn't do us any damn good.

The next problem is getting rid of legal guns. Whenever you get rid of something legal it creates a black market a hundred times worse than any current black market you could think of ... more so with guns since we have so many readily available here in the States.

Additionally, you'd have a LOT of Americans claiming, "I lost my gun(s)," or "My guns were stolen," as soon as someone from the government came to claim them. You'd end up with a court system in gridlock due to the hundreds of thousands of people who would be putting up a legal fight in court over guns they don't have, or guns they allegedly have, or guns they're allegedly selling, etc. etc.

Requiring gun safes in every home that has a firearm is a step in the right direction, but it would be extremely difficult to enforce, especially where old unregistered guns come into play.

Doing background checks is all well and good, but as we've seen, the issue is not that mentally unstable people are capable of purchasing them, it's that mentally unstable people are capable of acquiring them from irresponsible imbeciles.


All this being said, I think it should be mandatory for our schools to start having emergency shooter drills the same way we have emergency fire drills. Instead of alternate exits, we have our teachers plan for alternate entrances and which end of the building the blasts are coming from. It sucks, but until gun owners decide to give a little, we need to take advantage of the only options we have and have our teachers and principles plan for the worst.


By the way, I own five firearms.

[Zazzy]

the issue is not that mentally unstable people are capable of purchasing them, it's that mentally unstable people are capable of acquiring them from irresponsible imbeciles.

Exactly. And there's no reliable test for being an irresponsible imbecile, like there may be for insanity. If dumbasses keep allowing crazy people and small children access to guns, and they will, we will never be free of this.

It's bleak.

[Brakeman]

Yep, It's getting to where you can't even hunt squirrels in a Dollar General store without somebody complaining and getting you fired..
http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/201...l/3003927/

I miss Tennessee ...

[CleanShavenJesus]

I posted this in another topic a few months back. This is my ideal set of gun control laws.

To start, my idea of a working gun legislation is as follows: rigorous background checks, psychological evaluations of not just the person purchasing the gun but also of every person living in the home where the gun will be stored, and a government agent who will check your home to see if it's a proper home for a firearm and that there is no chance of a child or anyone else being able to gain access to the gun, which includes making sure your gun is properly sealed, etc. (I see it similar to an official from an adoption agency making sure the home is a suitable environment for an adopted child).

If those things are passed by Congress (which they obviously never will be), America will be a much safer nation. I believe my ideal laws here could prevent many future shootings.

[freedomfromforum]

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A few weeks back, a kid went on a shooting spree, in a school in Portugal... only one person was injured... you know why?!





wait for it...





This is gonna be good!






Take notes, US of A















ALL the LITTLE BUGGER HAD ACCESS TO WAS A F'IN KNIFE!

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