Christianity vs Atheism

[I am God]

If I'm not mistaken some of the greatest scientists were Christian thinkers (such as Isaac Newton) ... and you can't use science to disprove religion, all science is are theories, then again we don't comprehend much of the science that is being studied today, by taking college level physics I'm knowledgeable of this, you have come as far as what? Believing in the big Bang THEORY?

LOL... you seem too hold a college degree in high regard. If you are only IN college then you aren't that educated. So ease up on your delusions of grandeur. I have more than likely studied the bible far longer than you (As I studied it all throughout college, and further down my educational road). And that was a few moons ago and I continue to study it.

The bible is littered with historical lies. I say lies because the writers probably knew what they were writing was false but did it anyway to force their agenda. Take the census of Augustus for which Joseph was returning to Bethlehem to take place in. There is no record whatsoever of any such census. And it was NEVER a custom of the Roman census to put the entire empire on hold for a few years while everyone packed up their lives and returned to their city of origin. And the writers of the NT would have been aware of this. So it isn't an error. It's a lie.

Now take the lie about Herod coming to murder Jesus. There isn't a single document except for the bible that states this happened. Now... you might say "The bible is the document that proves it." Let's look at that closely shall we? This great census that Joseph was taking place in... was said to be during the time when Quirinius was Governor of Syria. The problem with that is that Quirinius wasn't governor of Syria until 10 years after the death of Herod. So if little baby jesus was born when Quirinius was governor of Syria... Herod was long dead. And when Herod was alive... Quirinius was leading a war campaign for Caesar... which is WHY he was awarded his governorship. However the writers of the gospels probably knew this... so it's not a mistake... it's a lie.

These are historical facts and cannot be argued. You can choose to be ignorant of them. But that only makes you delusional and well... ignorant.

So why do I not believe? Because the bible has been proven to be full of lies and half truths. It has been shown to be false. This does not disprove God of course. There may be some kind of being that is beyond us. But it isn't Yaweh... and it isn't Yeshua. Both of them to a divine level are fictional characters in a story book written by bronze age savages. The Hebrew God was borrowed from cultures that predate the ancient israelites. They stole their beliefs. And Jesus was just a man made into a legend based on a stolen God figure that never existed. Your religion was created for you by the Roman empire. All hail Zuul.

[Bad Writer]

Cue the half-assed attempt at apologetics in 3...2...1...

[Mystical]

I am God, what evidence have you seen to suggest that the Romans made this story up and why would they do that?

also, :Welcome:

Care to be in the bunny club?

[I am God]

I am God, what evidence have you seen to suggest that the Romans made this story up and why would they do that?

also, :Welcome:

Care to be in the bunny club?

The Roman's didn't make it up. They did however decide what books were to be in the NT and which ones were heresy. We are finding gospels that were written that didn't make the cut. One devoted to the bible might say "Well those didn't belong"... but understand that it's the ROMANS who decided that. The very people that nailed Jesus up... picked how his message would be conveyed. Think about that for a second.

[Bad Writer]

Thought about it. My answer is politics.

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And war, of course.

[I am God]

Thought about it. My answer is politics.

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And war, of course.

On the Roman side I think that's very true. "By this symbol shall you conquer" I'm paraphrasing of course.

On the Jewish side I think it was out of desperation. The clock was ticking and they NEEDED a messiah. In life Yeshua failed at the task of Messiah. He was simply a failure when it came to what a messiah was supposed to do. So later jews, especially post temple destruction... needed to remake what is was to be messiah. And they chose Yeshua as their man to become their legend.

[Mystical]

mind = blown

What other books didn't make the cut? I'd like to look them up!

I remember when the Deep Sea Scrolls popped up. I was 10, my brother 8. My dad read it to us and we cried because surely that was not the Jesus we knew! In the end my parents (after great discourse) concluded it to be false and the work of the devil.

Why would the Romans allow the Christian propaganda to exist in the first place?

[TheBeardedDude]

I'm currently working on an Apologetics project in which I need to talk to a few people who consider to be atheists and why they believe what they do.
Question 1: Why do you not believe in a God
Question 2: Why do you choose to deny the existence of a God
I'll start off with that, thank you, I look forward to an interesting conversation

"Why do you not believe in a God?"
Because none exist or have ever been shown to exist or no definition of any god has ever been shown to be a valid premise or isn't simply changing the definition of something else to mean god (like saying god is love or god is the universe. I'll just stick with love and the universe).

"Why do you choose to deny the existence of a God?"
I'll assume you mean the christian god specifically (but the answer wouldn't change regardless). I "choose" to deny its existence for the same reason I choose to deny the existence of bigfoot, santa, thor, spiderman, aquaman, alien visitations to earth, the loch ness monster, cupucabra, zeus, etc. The reason is the same as in number 1...that is because you didn't ask 2 questions, you just asked 1.

[downbeatplumb]

Books not in the new testament.

http://listverse.com/2012/07/06/10-books...testament/
I got distracted by the filipino singles ad at the bottom.

there were also some tales that did'nt make the cut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Paul_and_Thecla

[I am God]

mind = blown

What other books didn't make the cut? I'd like to look them up!

I remember when the Deep Sea Scrolls popped up. I was 10, my brother 8. My dad read it to us and we cried because surely that was not the Jesus we knew! In the end my parents (after great discourse) concluded it to be false and the work of the devil.

Why would the Romans allow the Christian propaganda to exist in the first place?

Search for "Gnostic Gospels" A very good read on the subject is the book with that title by Elaine Pagels who basically the foremost expert on the subject. There are stacks of Gospels about Jesus that were considered heresy.

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Why would the Romans allow the Christian propaganda to exist in the first place?

Christianity was an odd cult before the Romans took it over. The first Christians were called Gnostics meaning to know. And they were fairly broken into sects that would study one or a handful of gospels. Gospels like the gospel of Judas (Which is a crazy read by the way... almost reads like a Science Fiction story where Jesus comes from another dimension and is trying to get back).

The Roman Empire was at the beginning of its end. Many had stopped believing in the old Gods. It was the perfect time for a new belief system to creep in. When Constantine decided that Christianity would now be the state religion of Rome you soon after have the birth of the Holy Roman Church. And there is where you have the construction of what we now call the New Testament. And it was nothing like the religion followed by the first followers of Christ. I doubt Jesus himself would recognize much of what he was trying to convey in modern Christianity at all.