If there is no God, then, one may ask

[Cato]

Alex, I'll take 'False Dichotomies' for 2000.

[The Reality Salesman01]

A supernatural dictator that controls the ebb and flow of everything, intervening in trivial events in peoples lives such as football games, elections, and careers, but being unable to redirect tsunamis away from millions of innocent people? Having His hands tied when it comes to the rape and torture of children? Being omniscient, and creating a life form capable of causing and experiencing the torment caused by these things, as well as the things themselves? An all powerful God, with morality so infinitely superior to ours, but looks after only his own? This type of celestial Governor? There's something severely wrong with people that have this idea of God. I think the word God is misleading, and there are probably plenty of people that have a more rational idea of what they mean when they use it. However, the people that use it with regards to any Gods associated with any given doctrine cannot associate themselves with any such rational interpretation. They are all rooted in an idea of earning God's favor. If making excuses for the monstrosities that God must allow is what is necessary in order to receive my ticket to heaven, then I would gladly give my ticket up. There is no way to accept that any such God could have such an unacceptable résumé. If there is a God, it's nothing like what is commonly defended. Those versions don't even meet human standards of morality, much less an ultimate one. That much is clear.

[The Valkyrie]

Here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?

No "who" involved.

THat's one of the first things many theists do when this question arises, they personify natural processes.

[ThomM]

Here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?

IF the "god" governs the whole order of things on earth - it has surely fucked that one up! I note that war has been a time long event - and even his own people could not keep his so called Holy Land. IF the god is responsible - why are there children going to bed hungry. Why are they subject to natural disasters?

I have a question - if a god governs human life - why are not ALL humans born equally in good health and condition?

WE have already established that Infants and Babies CANNOT sin - because they have not reached the age of reason and responsibility - AND - we also know from the "bible" that a son is NOT responsible for the sins of his father - nor is the father responsible for the sins of the son - so a baby has nothing to be responsible for ---

SO - why are some children born with terminal diseases - why are some born without limbs - or retarded - or have any number of other problems? If a god was perfect - why are his so called creations - the INNOCENT children - not born perfect before they are subject to outside influences?


If seems that if you actually look at it - the god is doing a HORRID job if it actually exists - but then no one can prove that by the actual conditions of the earth.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

No, the question is WHETHER anything governs human life and the order of things on earth.

Your answer?

Ra, the Egyptian Sun God.

[MindForgedManacle]

Would be very interesting to hear the arguments of those who think it's a man who governs the whole order of things on earth and not God.

So basically you're going to ignore posts like mine on page 1?

[DOS]

Would be very interesting to hear the arguments of those who think it's a man who governs the whole order of things on earth and not God.

So basically you're going to ignore posts like mine on page 1?

I dont' respond to intricate posts if I don't see a positive thought related to topic. It's about 10 like you on one me.

If you think you're not free willed and don't govern a shit around your life then you can logically assume that the men don't govern a thing and don't control a thing that's going on on earth?

Very simple question.
Wo here voted for a man? Why?

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Here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?

I have a question - if a god governs human life - why are not ALL humans born equally in good health and condition?

“We can't know everything, how and wherefore," said the old man. "It is ordained for the bird to have not four wings but two because it is able to fly with two; and so it is ordained for man not to know everything but only a half or a quarter. As much as he needs to know so as to live, so much he knows."
Anton Chekhov

[Cyberman]

"Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west, and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does."
Marx

[Jacob(smooth)]

Very simple question.
Wo here voted for a man? Why?

Very simple answer, nobody.


But I'm sure you had a killer point to make had anyone taken taken that position.

[Cyberman]

Here's how the false dichotomy thing plays out. I pose the question as follows: who holds up the sky if Ceiling Cat doesn't exist?

The replies come in saying, basically, don't be silly; of course Ceiling Cat doesn't hold up the sky, and why must it be a 'who'. I respond by saying "very well, if you think Ceiling Cat doesn't hold up the sky, give your reasoning why it must be Godzilla."

That, in a nutshell, is why we are saying the question is malformed - because, apart from maybe one vote given ironically, nobody is saying with any seriousness that it must be man governing human life etc instead of a god. Indeed, since the OP is trying to make the case that it has to be a god doing this stuff - since quite obviously it can't be a man - then we would all, I'm sure, be very interested to see the reasons and evidence to support that, instead of the fallacy of the excluded middle.