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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 12:01 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 7:59 am)DOS Wrote: Stimbo
Quote:I said "I govern my life" (ie, no gods necessary)
Ben Davis
Quote:I govern my life
That was easy isn't it? May be there are more people who will say - they govern their lives and the general order of things in their lives?
And maybe you'll just get around to saying what you have to say without trying to put words into other people's mouths. Yeah .. right.
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 12:13 pm
I don't think I'll hold my breath.
Not just because I think it'll be a long wait, but because it's rather a pointless thing to do anyway.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 12:46 pm by DOS.)
(December 11, 2013 at 9:16 am)Ben Davis Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: Why you always justify yourself before me? Either you have control over your lives or not! The answer is yes or no. As has been pointed out many times by many people, the answer is not 'yes/no', it's far more complicated than that.
Quote: As for what reply would have been of mine I would answer easily I have control over or govern my life. I decide when I eat, sleep, work, drink, fuck, when I study, agree or disagree with someone else, easy as that.
Do you control the culture in which you live? Do you control the government which administrates your nation? Do you control the methodology of the civic water treatment system that describes the chemicals you drink? Do you control the gale-force winds that blew down your garden fence?
Quote: Why you all overcompicate things? Yo are all pussies! Dweebs!
Why do you refuse to see that reality actually is far more complicated than the model you have in your head? Is it because you fear questioning some central values? If so, that would make you the pussy.
Quote: Try it again
If there is no God, then, who governs your life and, in general, the whole order of things in your life?
You already have my answer to that question; a far fuller and more satisfying answer than your question deserves. Do I control a culture in which I live, the government which administrates my nation, do I you control the methodology of the civic water treatment system that describes the chemicals I drink? Do I control the gale-force winds that blew down my garden fence?
Even if my answer is to be No it doesn't change the things in general. If you're not satisfied with your life you can put the hands on you, as we speak, jump from the roof, hang yourself, shoot yourself. That's a control and goverment of your own life!
Thus you're getting back to the initial question
If there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm)DOS Wrote: Even if my answer is to be No it doesn't change the things in general. If you're not satisfied with your life you can put the hands on you, as we speak, jump from the roof, hang yourself, shoot yourself. That's a control and goverment of your own life Or, just maybe, you try to change these things in your life that you are not happy with.
Why, if you're not happy with something, is suicide the first thing you go to?
A rational person will realize that not everything in their life is going to make them happy. We change what we can, and learn to live with the rest.
You take the good.
You take the bad.
You take them both, and there you have, the facts of life.
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm)DOS Wrote: Even if my answer is to be No it doesn't change the things in general. If you're not satisfied with your life you can put the hands on you, as we speak, jump from the roof, hang yourself, shoot yourself. That's a control and goverment of your own life Or, just maybe, you try to change these things in your life that you are not happy with.
Why, if you're not happy with something, is suicide the first thing you go to?
A rational person will realize that not everything in their life is going to make them happy. We change what we can, and learn to live with the rest.
You take the good.
You take the bad.
You take them both, and there you have, the facts of life. Doesn't change things
If you try to change things what you can it still remains the control and goverment of your own life
Now I guess we have determined that man governs his life himself and proceed to the initial question
If there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?
Anybody has a point of view?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm)DOS Wrote: If there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Define "whole order of things on earth".
That could men a few different things, which ones are you talking about?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm)DOS Wrote: If there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Define "whole order of things on earth".
That could men a few different things, which ones are you talking about? The whole order of things on earth is what you see, the development of human civilization and stuff like that. Who governs it and has control over it?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm)DOS Wrote: ...the development of human civilization and stuff like that. Who governs it and has control over it? Humans
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm)DOS Wrote: ...the development of human civilization and stuff like that. Who governs it and has control over it? Humans Anybody else of the atheists think like that?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 2:05 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm)DOS Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Humans Anybody else of the atheists think like that?
Yes, humans "govern" the development of human culture/civilization and "stuff like that" -- though I think it's quite obvious that not all people do so equally or with the same degree of significance good or bad.
Who or what else? Certainly not imaginary beings like your god (though belief in such things as gods is a driver in human -- all too human -- motivations and actions).
But deep down, you already knew this, didn't you, troll?
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