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In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Do you believe the Cosmos had a beginning or has it always existed? I have often wrestled with the concept of infinity. For anything to have always existed infers an infinite period of time (as we understand it.) On the other hand if the Cosmos had a starting point, would it not have had to come from something and that something from something else? No matter how one looks at the topic it seems that some form of infinity keeps coming into play. If however, there was an infinite amount of time before I came into being and presumably another infinite amount of time after I return to the void doesn’t that add up to too many infinities?
Shit! My head hurts, I’m going to go lay down for a bit…
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Honestly? I have no fucking clue! 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Don't know... There was no camera nor CERN working at the time, so we can't really really know how it was...
Many IFs are available. Many hypothesis have come forth...
If someone, someday manages to get to the bottom of it, then we'll know a bit more... until then... meh... don't know. Maybe it was virtual particles, maybe it was a magic man, maybe it was a collision of two extra-dimensional universes, maybe it was a matrix....
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm
I do like the matrix idea. The concept that everything in our 3D universe can be represented by a 2D holograph on the surface of the enveloping sphere (presumed sphere) may mean we are part of someone or something's experiment or simulation. This theory comes from the realization that the event horizon of black holes have just exactly the right amount of surface area to holographically describe the contents. Thus preserving the information contained in said black hole previously believed to be lost...
Good stuff!
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 8:13 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Andy Wrote: Do you believe the Cosmos had a beginning or has it always existed? I have often wrestled with the concept of infinity. For anything to have always existed infers an infinite period of time (as we understand it.) On the other hand if the Cosmos had a starting point, would it not have had to come from something and that something from something else? No matter how one looks at the topic it seems that some form of infinity keeps coming into play. If however, there was an infinite amount of time before I came into being and presumably another infinite amount of time after I return to the void doesn’t that add up to too many infinities?
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If you look at a piece of the Universe separately, every piece has a beginning but the whole has no beginning and no end.
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 10:48 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: Honestly? I have no fucking clue!
Not only that, I don't think it is all that important.
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RE: In the begining?
December 23, 2013 at 11:02 pm
It is beyond my ken. We are conditioned to make a number of assumptions which may or may not apply. An assumption I make is that no change in state is ever made without the necessary preconditions in place. I cannot make sense of a spaceless, timeless, matterless, energyless void which gives rise to all we see. Saying a God creates something from nothing begs the question how there could be nothing if there was a god? If this god had as a potential state the cosmos as we know it, then that 'nothing' was pretty darned potent and hardly what anyone usually means by nothing. Without god the situation is exactly the same. When blowhards like Krauss desribe the emergce of space, time, matter and energy arising from a singularity as getting something from nothing, they are being unnecessarily obtuse. Any 'nothing' which had everything as a potential state is not a true nothing. There are always preconditions.
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RE: In the begining?
December 24, 2013 at 3:03 am
(December 23, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (December 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: Honestly? I have no fucking clue!
Not only that, I don't think it is all that important.
This.
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RE: In the begining?
December 24, 2013 at 10:56 am
(December 23, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (December 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: Honestly? I have no fucking clue!
Not only that, I don't think it is all that important.
Perhaps. However cosmology is a topic of interest to me so I posted. Thanks for your contribution.
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RE: In the begining?
December 24, 2013 at 10:59 am
Either it always existed or it didn't (Both concepts boggle my mind by the way), at the moment we don't have the tools to discover which so "I don't know" is the only real answer we can give.
Unsatisfying, but there you have it
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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