I need a volunteer

[Little Rik]

While I recognize that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I think that's a pretty convincing reason to reject propositions to the contrary. Additionally, one need not prove a negative in order to reject the positive!
As an interesting side-note, we know that there are parts of the brain, if damaged, will strip you of your ability to comprehend numbers or letters. While other damaged parts prevent you from recognizing your family or even your own identity. Literally every part of our experience is governed by a cognitive process in our brains, and for every part that is damaged, another part of our experience is lost. Yet, theists like Enrico maintain a state of affairs in which your ENTIRE brain is dead, and yet you are able to recognize the spiritual remnants of Grandma? This shit is mind numbingly stupid.

Now you are stating that...............Insufficient evidence is a perfectly acceptable reason to reject the idea of FUCKING SOULS!

Could you tell me how would you deal with two totally different things like the body and the consciousness?
One is physical and can be perceived with the physical senses and perception the other is not physical so it require a different kind of perception.
Can you really say that with your physical perception you are able to understand what is not physical?

[Bad Wolf]

How can you say that............Not believing your claims does not entail that we believe the opposite.

I have a jar of sweets. They have not been counted.
I ask you: Are the number of sweets in the jar even or odd.
You say: even
I don't believe you
Does that mean that I believe the opposite is true, that the number of sweets in the jar are odd?
Edit: ignore this post, did it twice for some reason!

[Esquilax]

I already explained what a forum represent to me.

And again, you showcase your complete inability to take reality on its own terms, instead substituting your own whenever you want and expecting everyone else to just play along. How arrogant can you get?

Besides, if you actually believed this, you wouldn't have threatened to report Bad Wolf earlier in the thread: where was your care for free exchange and simply moving on then?

How can you say that............Not believing your claims does not entail that we believe the opposite..........when in fact one atheist guy said that life is finite and except one of you everybody else either back him up or kept silent about it.
So who is the buffoon?

That's because we don't believe you when you say it's not. If you actually, you know, expended even a moment's effort in getting to know our positions, instead of endlessly blathering yours, you'll see that most of us have categorically stated in the past that we don't know what happens after we die. The reason we're arguing against you now is that you're saying you do know, in contradiction to the available evidence- upon which we've developed the tentative conclusion that life seems to be finite- and as evidence for your claim that life absolutely is infinite, you provide nothing.

This is something called nuance, which I know you aren't aware of: the fact is, we're disagreeing with you because you're a thoroughly disagreeable person, and an absolutely shitty debater. We take up the opposite position because... what other position is there available to take up to show you just how awful the arguments you're making are?

You want us to agree with you? Get better arguments.

The buffoon, I'm afraid, is still you: congratulations for showing you still don't know the difference between "I don't believe you," and "I believe the exact opposite of what you do."

I swear, you've got the understanding of a fucking toddler.

[Bad Wolf]

Now you are stating that...............Insufficient evidence is a perfectly acceptable reason to reject the idea of FUCKING SOULS!

Just like how insufficient evidence is a perfectly acceptable reason to reject the existence of fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, Sasquatch and.....your god.

[Tonus]

Now you are stating that...............Insufficient evidence is a perfectly acceptable reason to reject the idea of FUCKING SOULS!

No, he said it's a convincing reason. You seem to have this desire to turn everything into an absolute in order to argue against something that is not being said. Considering that most of the time you simply ignore counter-points, I'm not even sure why you would stoop to deliberately misrepresenting a view that you aren't even going to address.

[Esquilax]

Could you tell me how would you deal with two totally different things like the body and the consciousness?

Consciousness comes out of the brain, you can pick up changes to it on a CAT scan. It's chemistry and electricity inside your brain forming an emergent process. There is no evidence that consciousness isn't attached to the brain, and plenty of circumstantial evidence that it is.

Next you're going to say "but the brain is just a conduit for consciousness, it isn't the originator of it," except you're going to word it so much worse than I just did. My response is, what possible evidence could you have of that claim?

And then you'll say something shitty about not seeing any evidence from me that you're wrong, and I'll go back to wishing I could hate you to death.

[Cyberman]

Start with a system consisting of a functioning organic brain (and appropriate means of keeping it fresh), and measure the consciousness within it. Now take away the brain's function. Assuming you haven't just created an enrico, what happens to the consciousness? Where has it gone? Can it still be measured, and if not what is the most plausible explanation for why not? What can we conclude from the experiment?

[Cinjin]

What the fuck is this??

Ok. let me explain what i want to do.
Some people here say that in order to find out what is in the box you got to open it up.
That appear the only way to find out.
I would have thought that if i am in love with somebody whether is a physical person or we are dealing with spiritual love it would be a bit difficult to demonstrate that that love is real and that reality is real.
But maybe i am totally wrong and i will have to follow these people advise so i have no choice but to open the box to see if that love is real.
At this stage i am unwilling to open my box as i am quite busy with my commitment so i do need a volunteer to help with this task.
I only have to open their own box (in this case their chest cage) and go to inspect their heart to see if love is there or not (concrete evidence).
I promise that i will do this job very professionally and no pain will be felt.
Thanks for your help.

[Angrboda]

Why should i waste my time reporting people.
If reporting would help re-educating people i would report all the time.
Unfortunately some people never learn so there is no point in reporting.

You should report known rule breakers because doing so is something you agreed to do when you signed up to be a member of this forum. Intentional failure to do so is itself against the rules which you agreed to when you signed up.

Protecting Rule-breakers
If you are aware of a member breaking the rules, you are obligated to report them to the staff, either via the Report System or by sending one of the staff a PM. Protecting rule-breakers (especially sockpuppets of currently banned members) will not be tolerated, and anyone caught doing it will be warned and possibly banned as a result. All instances will be carefully considered by staff to determine if this was willfully done.

I was feeling reporting when some people swear direct to me and when other people divert my thread with pornographic pictures but what is the point.

I'm glad I could be of service.

[Little Rik]

And again, you showcase your complete inability to take reality on its own terms, instead substituting your own whenever you want and expecting everyone else to just play along. How arrogant can you get?

You are talking about REALITY without having a clue what reality is.
You set up a bulloni (bunch of bullshit) of rules and belief how the idea and the argument should or should not proceed and then you say that these rules are the reality and when confronted you say that you have no belief.
What a garbage boy.

If you actually, you know, expended even a moment's effort in getting to know our positions, instead of endlessly blathering yours, you'll see that most of us have categorically stated in the past that we don't know what happens after we die. The reason we're arguing against you now is that you're saying you do know, in contradiction to the available evidence- upon which we've developed the tentative conclusion that life seems to be finite-

Glad to hear this.
The problem however is that i tried to hear this for several weeks and nobody came up with saying that WE DON"T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE.
I still believe in the old saying...........WHO KEEP QUITE AGREE.........but of course now somebody will tell me.......oh i didn't know that for several weeks you asked evidence for the fact that life is finite.

and as evidence for your claim that life absolutely is infinite, you provide nothing.

Thousand of NDE's are not nothing boy.

This is something called nuance, which I know you aren't aware of: the fact is, we're disagreeing with you because you're a thoroughly disagreeable person, and an absolutely shitty debater. We take up the opposite position because... what other position is there available to take up to show you just how awful the arguments you're making are?
You want us to agree with you? Get better arguments.

How would you know how the system works when you guys never bother to develop your own consciousness.
How can you think to understand what is not physical by using physical tools.
Simply madness boy.

The buffoon, I'm afraid, is still you: congratulations for showing you still don't know the difference between "I don't believe you," and "I believe the exact opposite of what you do." I swear, you've got the understanding of a fucking toddler.

While you keep on playing with intellectual extravaganza i keep on doing something positive and useful.

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Could you tell me how would you deal with two totally different things like the body and the consciousness?

Consciousness comes out of the brain, you can pick up changes to it on a CAT scan. It's chemistry and electricity inside your brain forming an emergent process. There is no evidence that consciousness isn't attached to the brain, and plenty of circumstantial evidence that it is.
Next you're going to say "but the brain is just a conduit for consciousness, it isn't the originator of it," except you're going to word it so much worse than I just did. My response is, what possible evidence could you have of that claim? And then you'll say something shitty about not seeing any evidence from me that you're wrong, and I'll go back to wishing I could hate you to death.

As far there is a parallelism between body, mind and consciousness it is obvious that the consciousness depend on the mind to express itself but i said time and time again that as soon as the parallelism is lost when the body die then the consciousness separate and can be independent.
The evidence has been brought forward by thousand of NDE's.
By the way i am not going to ask you to bring evidence of the contrary.
I know quite well you couldn't bring any.

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Start with a system consisting of a functioning organic brain (and appropriate means of keeping it fresh), and measure the consciousness within it. Now take away the brain's function. Assuming you haven't just created an enrico, what happens to the consciousness? Where has it gone? Can it still be measured, and if not what is the most plausible explanation for why not? What can we conclude from the experiment?

I got bad news for you Stimbo.
Considering that you got the right tools to measure the consciousness how would you know what is the level of consciousness that that particular individual has so far extract from his-her total amount of consciousness?
The total consciousness is like the iceberg.
Some is above the water (in this case is the total amount of consciousness that you can measure) and most of that is below the water and in this case you can not measure it so your experiment would not get anywhere really.
The new problem is .......where the consciousness is gone once the parallelism between body, mind and consciousness is gone?
It just separate as proven by NDE's so at the end what you get is a total mental masturbation.
Sorry to upset you but as the old saying goes........A GOOD STROKE WILL AVOID LATER PROBLEM.