Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Thalidomide wasn't tested on rabbits. I'm in the business, I know what I'm talking about when I talk about animal testing.

Every single drug on the market right now has been tested on animals. If you want to talk about similarities we have transgenic mice, if you want to talk about variety we've got that, too. Without animals you can kiss good bye to drug development. I know that's the position some people take, but don't pretend like you can have drug development without animal testing. That is absurd. You cannot feed a drug to a human and then split his brain to see what effects it had. You cannot fast forward 10 years to see how he reacts to chronic administration. You cannot overdose him to figure out what's the limit. It's an impossibility even if you overlook the ethical problems because animals have shorter lifespan and reproduce so much quicker. I don't agree with testing on primates, my mind isn't made up on cats and dogs, but the rest of it is pretty much fair game.

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PETA isn't all they are cracked up to be.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...ar-report/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us/pet....html?_r=0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-w...79220.html

It is doing EXACTLY what it should be doing. Passing on to be rehomed animals that can be and euthanising animals that are chronically sick. But hell keep repeating the same old shit

But I am not vegetarian or a vegan. I enjoy meat...A LOT. I don't like it if an animal suffers, but I don't lose sleep over it either.

That because you lack empathy. Its a nasty condition thats rather common

Animals suffer all the time in nature. The hawk isn't worried if the cute bunny rabbit is being given an inhumane death when it's disemboweling it while it's still alive.

The modern process of keeping animals in appalling conditions for months on end is rather different from the second it takes for animals to die in the wild.

The way I look at it life, started on this planet with a single common ancestor and it will end with a single descendent...humans.

So you want all other life forms eradicated? Nice.

There will come a time when our population reaches a maximum capacity and we will eventually have to choose between giving animals a place to live or people.

I doubt it

I'll side with people.

You want the population to exapnd so nothing else can exist? Lunacy

We protect animals that are essential to our survival, otherwise though I don't give two fucks if the endangered blue tailed finch goes extinct.

Why should we protect human that aren't necessary to our survival? I have nothing in common with you why on earth should I want you to live at the expense of others?

[FlyingNarwhal]

It is doing EXACTLY what it should be doing. Passing on to be rehomed animals that can be and euthanising animals that are chronically sick. But hell keep repeating the same old shit

Accusing me of repeating the same old shit, did you even read through any of the links or did you just...you know....repeat the same old shit?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-w...79220.html

Rather large excerpt with pictures of dead animals:

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In 2012, 733 dogs entered this building. They killed 602 of them. Only 12 were adopted. Also in 2012, they impounded 1,110 cats. 1,045 were put to death. Seven of them were adopted. They also took in 34 other companion animals, such as rabbits, of which 28 were put to death. Only four were adopted.



A supermarket dumpster full of garbage bags. When police officers looked inside, they found the bodies of dead animals -- animals killed by PETA. PETA described these animals as "adorable" and "perfect." A veterinarian who naively gave PETA some of the animals, thinking they would find them homes, and examined the dead bodies of others, testified that they were "healthy" and "adoptable."



A mother cat and her two kittens, all perfectly healthy and adoptable and none in danger of being killed until they were given to PETA by a veterinarian who was trying to find them homes and was told by PETA employees that they would have no problem adopting them out. After PETA lied to him and the mother and her kittens were entrusted to their care, they reportedly killed them, within minutes, in the back of a van.



The PETA field killing kit found by police in the back of the PETA death van in Ahoskie, North Carolina.



An Ahoskie Police Detective dressed in a hazmat suit prepares to bury a puppy killed by PETA. This puppy and dozens of other animals including cats and kittens were found by police throughout June of 2005 after PETA employees dumped them in a garbage bin in North Carolina.



Puppies killed by PETA in the back of a van -- a donor-funded slaughterhouse on wheels. Despite $35,000,000 in annual revenues and millions of "animal-loving" members, PETA does not even try to find them homes. PETA has no adoption hours, does no adoption promotion, has no adoption floor, but is registered with the State of Virginia as a "humane society" or "animal shelter."

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Look I'm not really immersed in the whole animal protection thing, but in the short time I've spent to get the links I provided, I learned a little about No-Kill Shelters. They are recognized as "No-Kill" when they save at least 90% of the animals that come into the shelters, versus PETA killing 96% of the animals that come into their shelter.

That because you lack empathy. Its a nasty condition thats rather common

No trust me I have empathy, I just don't let it solely run my decisions. I don't like to see animals hurt, it makes me uncomfortable to see animals suffer. But pain, suffering, death are all common side effects of life. Unfortunate as they may be, the world keeps spinning. And ultimately I place human life above other animals.

The modern process of keeping animals in appalling conditions for months on end is rather different from the second it takes for animals to die in the wild.

I would like better conditions for animals that are going to be killed for food, however there are implications for doing so. Better conditions for animals that will be killed for food can mean an increase in the cost of that food. If there is a cost effective way to give better conditions while keeping costs low I would be all in favor. But right now, I'm not sure if you've heard, we got this thing called hungry people. Cheaper food means more food can be bought for or donated to them. You were talking about empathy before and like I said I have it. But I have it for the starving kids more so than animals. I don't like the bad conditions animals are exposed to, but if it means that 10% more starving people can eat then may I just say that pigs can go fuck themselves.

So you want all other life forms eradicated? Nice.

I don't want to eradicate animals, but if a species goes extinct as long as the absence of the species doesn't effect the human population in a meaningful way I really don't care. 99% of the animals that once lived on this planet have gone extinct, it isn't big news if another species joins them. Today if certain animals die it can cause a chain reaction in the ecosystem and indirectly affect us. But as we become more technologically advanced we will be able to find ways around these dilemmas. And as we reach those benchmarks it won't matter if a species fades out of existence. Eventually we will reach a point where there is no need for us to rely on the multitude of ecosystems this planet has provided and we will no longer require wild animals for continued survival.

I doubt it

Good answer. Very thought provoking. You remember how we used to say there were 6 billion people on the Earth? And then recently we started to say there are 7 billion people on the Earth? ....Yeeaaaahhhh

You want the population to exapnd so nothing else can exist? Lunacy

I don't want the population to expand, that's just what's gonna happen. Our population has been rising exponentially. What I want won't keep people from pulling out.

Why should we protect human that aren't necessary to our survival? I have nothing in common with you why on earth should I want you to live at the expense of others?

For the same reason my taxes go to welfare. I may not need welfare, but someday I might. Living in a society where we protect each other means that in the event that I need protection I can get some as well

[Zen Badger]

Everything that is born will die
Everything that dies will be eaten.
What do you think happens to animals in the wild?
They die in fear and pain and then get fucking eaten.
So don't give me this "it's not ethical to eat animals"malarkey.
It is a total non sequitur.

[KichigaiNeko]

http://rhondagessner.wordpress.com/2013/...must-read/

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http://youtu.be/Zh7fLjnkSzA

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Lyn White (Animals Australia) is no different

PETA and AA are just cults.

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http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1728051

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http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reas...ible-idea/

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So essentially there is nothing moral about veganism. It is a personal choice and if it fits with your metabolism ....Good for you.... for the majority of us it is a mixture of vegetables and meat (in varying proportions) that sustains health and well being.

Veganism/ Vegetarianism is NOT the panacea for the world's ills and as has been stated about there are people liken to Temple Grandin who ARE striving to enlighten our meat producers to give our meat livestock the best life that is posible.

You want to blame global warming and Climate change for the slaughter by all means foul and painful of our livestock here in OZ?

Good luck là bạn điên

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This is what nature has in store for live stock (free or otherwise) here in Oz ...but hey they ARE free and are NOT slaughtered.....

[StoryBook]

Ill not be bothered to argue with people above with their hackeney quips
If they are meat eaters and animals mean nothing to them then there is just no point even discussing with them. two of them have just given the same stupid overused comments and ,no doubt, think they are hilarious. You have made a number of libels.

Stop assuming...
I love animals, I have pets, and rescues. I learn as much as I can about animals. I have studied their behavior and health.

Firstly
We can eat an omninvorous diet but it doesn't make it ethically right.

So it is not ethically right for carnivore to eat a a carnivorous diet? Guess you should stop feeding your dog and cat then.
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I do disapprove of how slaughterer animals are treated, but death for food is the cycle of life.

The 'cycle of life' is a disney song, I can sing hymns to god and it doesn't make it real

Wow, so you don't believe in evolution? Cheetahs developed speed to catch food.

So you find the business abhorrent yet you derive your income from it...I see

Well its better the having my 2 dogs, 2 cats, and horse to starve and be homeless.

Bullshit. You are lying through your teeth and repeating stuff found online published by a pro factory farming group.

They do not kill anything like that amount. for a start they send any healthy rehomeable animal to alternate shelters. Those shelters will not take chronically sick or animals ,like pitbulls, that are unrehomeable. Peta put to sleep animals that have chronic issues because it feels that keeping something suffering is abhorrent -and I agree. They euthanise animals with the utmost care, indeed it started because their leader worked in a pound and was outraged by the way the workers killed animals so she took the job over to make it as painless as possible

Tell me did not just say that. That is like believing the bible to be true. Pit bulls and other bully type dogs are NOT aggressive as a breed. ALL dogs, no matter what the breed can bite and be aggressive. There are different reasons for a dog to bite, fear is one of them. Such a hypocritical bullshit lie that you got from PETA.

Well since you ignore the other peoples post, For fun I will post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...4vI#t=1767

Use out dated videos

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Poor quality edited videos, with false wording describing what is happening.
You know when a animal dies the nerves can still react causing muscles to move/twitch. Making it look like the animal is alive when it is not.
Slaughters houses don't want to abuse the animals, because it ruins the meat.

Give examples with proof



. Most of the money from donations go in their pockets,

Give examples with proof. Peta salaries are absolutely tiny.Ingrid Newkirk takes a salary of 23,000 dollars a year so you are lying through your teeth or so gullible you will beleive ANYTHING written by the farm lobby (who you work for)


or for more advertising,

Advertising brings in revenue -which is spent on projects

http://www.examiner.com/article/people-f...-peta-lies

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Yes, it goes on the animals

Killing them does not count.

It is a state requirement.

Lets see some proof to back up your absurd libellous accusations. Links to an agro business website is OT proof any more than links to a christian website gives proof of god.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-w...79220.html

http://mrslillibridge.pbworks.com/w/page...%20animals

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I love eating like a vegetarian, but I do need meat every so often.

Also, I'm not sure where butter falls. My favorite breakfast is Morningstar vegetarian sausage in a Pillsbury biscuit.

[MindForgedManacle]

Lol, did he take my first post seriously? I guess I'm just no good with memes.

I think Peter Singer might be right that future generations will find our meat-eating and (especially) general treatment of animals to be an atrocius moral evil. This brought to mind a thread in which someone tried to justify prohibiting bestiality by bringing up the issue of consent, and Genkaus pointed out the strangeness of consent ruling out sex with animals but eating them is a-okay.

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Lol, did he take my first post seriously? I guess I'm just no good with memes.

I think Peter Singer might be right that future generations will find our meat-eating and (especially) general treatment of animals to be an atrocius moral evil. This brought to mind a thread in which someone tried to justify prohibiting bestiality by bringing up the issue of consent, and Genkaus pointed out the strangeness of consent ruling out sex with animals but eating them is a-okay.

I think Peter singer is almost certainl;y right

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I love eating like a vegetarian, but I do need meat every so often.

Also, I'm not sure where butter falls. My favorite breakfast is Morningstar vegetarian sausage in a Pillsbury biscuit.

Why do you need meat? Which amino acids are you missing from a vegetarian diet?

[bennyboy]

I love eating like a vegetarian, but I do need meat every so often.

No, you don't.


This is my main argument for vegetarianism: given the richness of substitutes in the developed world, there's really no real need to eat meat at all.