Is Obama guilty of war crimes?

[Mudhammam]

So there is no international agreement that specifically prohibits waterboarding. the ACLU does not get to decide what is or is not legal. the USA has Judges for that.

What? The US has prosecuted other individuals under war crimes for waterboarding but when the US does it the law changes? Drowning someone clearly fits the definition of torture as defined by the Convention Against Torture, among others.

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So there is no international agreement that specifically prohibits waterboarding. the ACLU does not get to decide what is or is not legal. the USA has Judges for that.

What? The US has prosecuted other individuals under war crimes for waterboarding but when the US does it the law changes? Drowning someone clearly fits the definition of torture as defined by the Convention Against Torture, among others.

Who have the US prosecuted for war crimes for waterboarding?

[Mudhammam]

What? The US has prosecuted other individuals under war crimes for waterboarding but when the US does it the law changes? Drowning someone clearly fits the definition of torture as defined by the Convention Against Torture, among others.

Who have the US prosecuted for war crimes for waterboarding?

The U.S. military hung Japanese soliders for waterboarding American POWs in the Second World War. Per Wiki, "In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese civilian who had served in World War II as an interpreter for the Japanese military, Yukio Asano, for "Violation of the Laws and Customs of War," asserting that he "did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for" prisoners, but, far worse, that he also "did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture" prisoners of war. Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor. [122] The charges against Asano included "beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward." [201] The specifications in the charges with regard to "water torture" consisted of "pouring water up [the] nostrils" of one prisoner, "forcing water into [the] mouths and noses" of two other prisoners, and "forcing water into [the] nose" of a fourth prisoner." Waterboarding is drowning someone without letting them drown. Read the definition of torture under the acts ratified by Congress and the military's own manual as I've cited. Why do you think the Bush administration had lawyers write the "Torture Memos"? They were trying to circumvent well established guidelines for combat and treaties prohibiting torture that are recognized by all major industrialized Western nations.

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So your single evidence is a post WW@ charge that was abouit directly feeding water into the nostrils. You must think I'm a fucking idiot to be fooled by your constant misdirection..but then such is the stuff of ideologues whether leftist, rightist or religious, they all thing we are fooled by their inventions and flim flammery.

There is NO international agreement that the USA has signed up to that specifically prohibits waterboarding and no amount of quoting from leftist agitators makes it any different.

You have failed utterly to back up your claim and have sought to muddy the waters by asserting that US domestic laws somehow prove an international agreement.

[Mudhammam]

So your single evidence is a post WW@ charge that was abouit directly feeding water into the nostrils. You must think I'm a fucking idiot to be fooled by your constant misdirection..but then such is the stuff of ideologues whether leftist, rightist or religious, they all thing we are fooled by their inventions and flim flammery.

There is NO international agreement that the USA has signed up to that specifically prohibits waterboarding and no amount of quoting from leftist agitators makes it any different.

You have failed utterly to back up your claim and have sought to muddy the waters by asserting that US domestic laws somehow prove an international agreement.

Oh..the neo-con argument that the U.S. is exclusively free from the constraints of international law. Okay, I'm sure you're more educated about domestic/international law than the ACLU.

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Oh wow.. look who else agrees with the ACLU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUVFE-s...ata_player

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Oh..the neo-con argument that the U.S. is exclusively free from the constraints of international law. Okay, I'm sure you're more educated about domestic/international law than the ACLU.

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Oh wow.. look who else agrees with the ACLU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUVFE-s...ata_player

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1) I never claimed that the USA is free from international law. I refuted a claim that international law SPECIFICALLY prohibits water boarding (it doesn;t).

2) I am no neocon I find the US right absurd. I find the US ultra left to be just a group of ignorants spouting propaganda and obsessed with race politics. FYI my social politics would place me firmly on the liberal side on the issues like Abortion, Gun control,drug legalisation, abortion, animal rights, death penalty, Gay issues, socialised medicine My views are orthodox liberal.

3) Your claim regarding the ACLU is a well known fallacy called 'appeal to authority'. Furthermore the ACLU are certainly not an authority on legal matters -they are a pressure group.

4) I really couldn't give a shit about Obama. I think he has been an incompetent president and an utter failure at implementing anything approaching socialised medicine he has beaten even the congenital Idiot George Bush in dividing the USA and failed to acheive almost anything at all. Indeed the biggest boast his supporters make is that Bin laden was killed under his presdidency....big deal.

[Mudhammam]

Just so long as you know that before Bush came along, nobody disputed that waterboarding is torture, by all definitions of it. Only people who disagree now are the neo-cons and well, you.

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Just so long as you know that before Bush came along, nobody disputed that waterboarding is torture, by all definitions of it. Only people who disagree now are the neo-cons and well, you.

So ,once again, you made assertions and can;t prove them and then you lie and lie and lie.

You are so utterly dishonest that now you accuse me of stating that waterboarding is not torture. Go on liar boy go and prove I said that. Please quote where I said waterboarding is not torture.

Go on prove your claims. Stop making strawmen and defend your lies.

[Mudhammam]

Let me help you think this through, inside your little Dick-Cheney-of-a-brain. The question was asked if Obama should be prosecuted for war crimes.
1. Not prosecuting torture, which is a war crime, is illegal under US law and signed treaties.
2. Obama said waterboarding was torture.
3. Obama said he would not prosecute because it would effect CIA morale (you know, they'd have to follow the law, which according to Obama, they were not).
4. Obama violated the law.

Wait, maybe you agree with Alan Dershowitz: the U.S. should estalish "torture warrents."

Ass.

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You are obviously too thick to actually read threads through. You are also so absurdly porachial that you think everyone in the world is in some way American.

I couldn;t give a damn about you messiah mania and Obama
Some twat claimed that Waterboarding as specifically outlawed by international law. I said it wasn;t then you made up a whole lot of lies top try and defend your ignorance

I challenged you to prove your statements and you failed.

So go and prove that I ever posted in favour of water boarding and stop lying.