BILL NYE VS KEN HAM: TONIGHT AT 7 PM

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Ham is wanting to basically say all interpretations about the past are of equal merit. Since we weren't there, you can say whatever you want about the past. It is "observational" science that is where we can absolutely say what it is true and false. He has no problem supposedly with the findings of "observational" science because it deals with the present which is undeniable. Creationism should be given just as much respect as evolution because it's just another model about the past.

So why select creationism? Ham basically says it's because Jesus somehow worked in is heart so because of that he "knows" Jesus exists and therefore the Bible is true. Since the Jesus exists and because of that the Bible must be true, therefore creationism must be true.

However, what Ham describes is a religious experience. "Observational" science has demonstrated clearly that people's religious experiences are a completely unreliable means of coming to true conclusions about reality. So, "observational" science refutes the very means by which Ham does "historical" science. Is Ham going to be consistent and accept the findings of "observational" science or is he going to reject it just this one time?

[Chad32]

Christians seem to love to jump to origins. I guess that's about the only place they can fit Yahweh nowadays. Not that proving the universe had to be divinely created brings you directly to Yahweh, especially since there are older religions with a creator god. Vishnu of Hinduism is one, I believe.

[truthBtold]

dont really see many christians posting much here about the debate.. are they embarrassed?? I wont name any names..

[Chad32]

You'd think they would, but Ken just didn't seem to do much in the debate. He didn't counter anything with much better than pointing to the bible, or saying that since god obviously set everything in motion, then he's inextricable from the scientific method. I don't think he said anything that people didn't already believe when it came to the question of whether or not creation's model of origins is still relevant.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

dont really see many christians posting much here about the debate.. are they embarrassed?? I wont name any names..

We only have one active Creationist member to my knowledge (GodsChild).

[Minimalist]

Don't forget Waldork.

[Esquilax]

And Carnavon.

[Angrboda]

And Carnavon.

Who?

[Esquilax]

And Carnavon.

Who?

... Yeah, pretty much.

He's new-ish.

[Whateverist]

I wouldn't have thought Waldorf was being sincere about it though. Young earth creationism is such an extreme and marginal position. Hell even Pat Robertson is embarrassed by it.