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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:46 am
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(March 1, 2014 at 10:37 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: My parents say they talk to God. I see no reason for them to lie
You have to eliminate this false dichotomy from your mind.
There is another choice between your parents being correct, and their lying.
They could be sincere in their belief, yet be completely wrong.
Quote:It's a psychlogical nightmare because I know there's so much evidence against it. Right now I feel like God exists because my parents feel his presence, but he's testing our faith by making EVERYTHING point to him not existing.
1.1 billion Hindus feel their god's presence. Yet, you have no problem disbelieving their feelings.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:46 am
(March 1, 2014 at 8:08 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: A friendly Christian sent me a message Out of curiosity, did you inform him that you'd be making his private message public?
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:47 am
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SteelCurtain: Thanks it is made harder with my condition and I understand this indocrination makes it worse. Though they don't tell my I'm going to hell, that was a typo where I forgot to put a "not" in front of "going to hell".
Esquilax: Y'know it does kind of bring up an interesting point. For example my mom says she talks to God and writes it God, though when I was displaying signs that I now realize were part of my OCD, God NEVER brought it up to my mom until they knew about it and I was diagnosed. Seems midly suspicious.
Sorry if I don't respond to every post, but I'm reading and taking them all into consideration.
(March 1, 2014 at 10:46 am)Simon Moon Wrote: 1.1 billion Hindus feel their god's presence. Yet, you have no problem disbelieving their feelings.
Well they're not the people I've known and trusted my whole life. I know it seems crazy, but it feels more likely 1.1 billion people are lying to themselves than my parents.
(March 1, 2014 at 10:46 am)Tonus Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 8:08 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: A friendly Christian sent me a message Out of curiosity, did you inform him that you'd be making his private message public?
Well no, I didn't name names though...
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am
Quote:Sorry if I don't respond to every post, but I'm reading and taking them all into consideration.
There's hope for this one.
Either as a christian or an atheist.
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am
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(March 1, 2014 at 10:37 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: I see no reason for them to lie.
Thousands of people claim to have ecounters with Aliens. They are not all knowingly lying. This doesn't mean that the encounters actually happened.
My parents believe a few old wives tales, and even when I try and explain that there is no evidence to support them they will still try and justify the belief. Everyone does it to some extent.
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 10:58 am
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(March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Quote:Sorry if I don't respond to every post, but I'm reading and taking them all into consideration.
There's hope for this one.
Either as a christian or an atheist.
Well, just to add to that sentiment, despite my ravings against religion, I'm honestly fine with whatever camp JL1 ends up in, as long as it's not the "fear of hell+disorder make my life miserable" camp. Not that it's my place to judge anyways.
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 11:00 am
The thing is if my parents are wrong, everything they base their life off is wrong. They believe at the end of the day God is everything, other stuff may be nice and all, but God's all that matters. So atheists are saying they're living a fairy tale? I've even heard my parents say the next town they move to will be "wherever the Lord leads us". They are not casual believers, they are hardcore.
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 11:01 am
(March 1, 2014 at 11:00 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: The thing is if my parents are wrong, everything they base their life off is wrong. They believe at the end of the day God is everything, other stuff may be nice and all, but God's all that matters. So atheists are saying they're living a fairy tale? I've even heard my parents say the next town they move to will be "wherever the Lord leads us". They are not casual believers, they are hardcore.
Yeah, mine too. My mother always talks about god. Every other word.
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 11:03 am
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(March 1, 2014 at 11:00 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: The thing is if my parents are wrong, everything they base their life off is wrong. They believe at the end of the day God is everything, other stuff may be nice and all, but God's all that matters. So atheists are saying they're living a fairy tale? I've even heard my parents say the next town they move to will be "wherever the Lord leads us". They are not casual believers, they are hardcore.
I find that a bit sad of course, but it's not too terrible if in the process they lead a fulfilling life, and don't make anyone else suffer for it. It's not like they go to hell if they're wrong and I'm right  . They just shouldn't procrastinate important things till the alleged afterlife 
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RE: A friendly Christian sent me a message
March 1, 2014 at 11:06 am
(March 1, 2014 at 10:47 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: SteelCurtain: Thanks it is made harder with my condition and I understand this indocrination makes it worse. Though they don't tell my I'm going to hell, that was a typo where I forgot to put a "not" in front of "going to hell".
I got that they're not telling you you are going to hell; I figured you meant that from the first. But if I knew my child had OCD, even if I believed in God I would never mention hell, EVER. Maybe that's just because I know what it's like to obsess over things. My point is that at some point you are going to have to live in the world, and hopefully you want to branch out, go to college, meet new people, learn new things. Your parents seem to be creating an environment where you are going to have a crisis every time someone you come to trust tells you something that goes against something someone else you trust told you.
Whether you are an Christian or not, you have to learn to find things out on your own and formulate your own opinions. It will literally solve the "whom do I trust" conundrum. You trust your own intelligence and rational thinking ability.
(March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: There's hope for this one.
Either as a christian or an atheist.
I really think so.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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