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RE: What can science prove?
March 17, 2010 at 1:11 am
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(March 16, 2010 at 10:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No, I wouldn't say so. It just so happens that by demonstrating the movement of the planets an idiotic bit of ancient folklore gets tossed in the trash.
I see that as a positive.
I see what you're saying, I guess I was taking an epistemological perspective. A negative is simply saying something is not true, or does not exist (as opposed to an affirmative position like the thing does exist, or is true).
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RE: What can science prove?
March 17, 2010 at 5:01 am
I don't believe anything can be absolutely proved by anything, 'even' the almighty 'Science' lol. But I cannot know that it's impossible  (But of course, I cannot know that I cannot know - maybe I can know!).
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RE: What can science prove?
April 3, 2010 at 6:25 am
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(March 14, 2010 at 6:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm in complete agreement with Arcanus. Science actively limits itself to the material world, and thus cannot prove anything (as materialism may not be true).
What do you consider to be non-material?
(March 17, 2010 at 5:01 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I don't believe anything can be absolutely proved by anything, 'even' the almighty 'Science' lol. But I cannot know that it's impossible (But of course, I cannot know that I cannot know - maybe I can know!).
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To what end is contradicting yourself?
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RE: What can science prove?
April 3, 2010 at 9:48 am
(April 3, 2010 at 6:25 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: (March 14, 2010 at 6:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm in complete agreement with Arcanus. Science actively limits itself to the material world, and thus cannot prove anything (as materialism may not be true).
What do you consider to be non-material? Anything not comprised of matter / energy.
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RE: What can science prove?
April 3, 2010 at 6:46 pm
(April 3, 2010 at 9:48 am)Tiberius Wrote: (April 3, 2010 at 6:25 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: (March 14, 2010 at 6:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm in complete agreement with Arcanus. Science actively limits itself to the material world, and thus cannot prove anything (as materialism may not be true).
What do you consider to be non-material? Anything not comprised of matter / energy.
Show me that does indeed exist, else it is a useless concept. And no, it cannot be a virtual entity formed by physical entities.
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RE: What can science prove?
April 3, 2010 at 7:02 pm
I'm not saying it does exist. I'm just saying that I'm not so certain of everything as to make the leap of faith to say that materialism is absolutely true.
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RE: What can science prove?
April 3, 2010 at 7:25 pm
I don't have faith in materialism being true. I simply lack the faith that anything outside materialism exists - I am open to it being proven. However, I will not support baseless assertions that it exists for the same reason I do not support the very same baseless assertions that a deity exists.
Science is the study of the natural world. Since all we know is natural or only formed from pieces thereof, science is the study of everything.
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RE: What can science prove?
May 8, 2010 at 3:17 pm
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Quote:Anything not comprised of matter / energy.
Can you giva an example of what you are talking about!
Also, what is it that your sensory receptors in your body react too!
Too add, if material things may not even exist, how is it possible for us to be having this conversation!
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RE: What can science prove?
May 8, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Myself, I'm inclined to think that the idea of immaterial things having causal powers is incoherent. So even if there were immaterial things (which I very much doubt), they wouldn't make any difference to the material world.
He who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything
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RE: What can science prove?
May 8, 2010 at 3:45 pm
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The above statement is fair enough. But, fot the sake of converstion, what could an immaterial thing actually be? Any ideas?
You could perhaps say a thought! But even a thought is material, for without a brain, and the energy associated with a brain, there would be no thoughts?
Uhhh, I do see how it is possible for one to believe that there maybe no material in the outside world. But logic will tell you that without a material world, could I really be having these thoughts?
If nothing exists, then what am I and what is everything else I am thinking about?
Could it be possible that my sub-conscious dosen't relaise there is an outside World or material things!
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