Rely on God

[Godscreated]

Agreed the report came from Teen Challenge, however the study they reported was an independent study. It was done to test the validity of Teen Challenges claim.

Yet no reference was provided to show that this was a set of independent studies.

I'm not interested in emotional rhetoric from you, by the way. I want sources instead backing up all the important claim made in the file.

By the way if you want to know the success rate of secular programs go back and read the link I posted, that percentage came from an outside party, not Teen Challenge.

Yes, but with no source to back it up.

Try this http://list serv.kent.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A3=ind0108A&L

[GrandizerII]

Yet no reference was provided to show that this was a set of independent studies.

I'm not interested in emotional rhetoric from you, by the way. I want sources instead backing up all the important claim made in the file.


Yes, but with no source to back it up.

Try this http://list serv.kent.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A3=ind0108A&L

Link not working.

[Mr Greene]

OK first off I'm a mental Health worker with Mind, a secular charity that deals specifically with Mental Health issues.
Personally I'd avoid the religious guff completely as a common doctrine, particularly amongst evangelical christians is the belief that mental health problems are manifestations of demonic possession. Link
The statements are similar to those used by the AA whose methods of corrupt data reporting are well documented (principally if anyone starts drinking again they are viewed as never having been a part of the programme and therefore do not show in their stats.)
The hard sell will come when they try to subject people with MH issues to 'exorcisms' which in effect amounts to torture.