Oil in the Gulf of Mexico!

[Dotard]

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

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[Welsh cake]

An accident? Really? It's already being argued that it was an accident which should not have happened. Corporate safety measures tend to be determined by legal requirements,even when the law is patently inadequate and/or can be circumvented.

I don't know the above for a fact in this case, I'm not an engineer. But as far as I'm concerned I wouldn't trust BP as far as I could throw it. If you think I'm being paranoid,look up the history of BP and other oil companies in the Middle East.

I appreciate that. I'm not defending BP, its just that in this particular case its seems to point to an accident, a blowout. Let me make it clear that I have no love or personal bias for BP. The former site of BP Chemicals Ltd in Baglan Bay, Port Talbot, relatively close to the grounds near where I live in South Wales are heavily continmated with benzene and other dangerous hydrocarbons. Half of my relatives, and more recently my aunt died from cancer which is no doubt linked to the site, in this case, they are at fault, they are responsible through criminal negligence:

http://oem.bmj.com/content/52/4/225.abstract

One of our biggest companies, BHP Billiton,has an appalling safety record,being criticised by the courts for being 'accident driven'.Eg Infamously,it installed safety rails in its steel works only after a worker fell into a vat of molten steel,and the company faced massive compensation payouts.

Tragically, accidents happen all the time, especially in steel works. What do you expect? It's a dangerous environment after all, I have close family who work in such places and everyday I worry about their well-being.

We Welsh have probably the most unprecedented catastrophe failure of a blast furnace in steel-making history.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/web34.pdf

Back when Corus owned the Port Talbot steelworks Blast Furnace No.5 exploded, molten metal was making contact with water, the entire superstructure weighing in at tens thousands of tons uplifted itself and span around from the force of the blast. Anyone is free to argue that it was someone's incompetence the incident happened, that they lost control of it, or should have taken countermeasures to minimise the scale of the damage, but it nevertheless the sequence of events remains accidental; the destruction, and subsequent loss of life was unintentional, not the same thing as deliberate sabotage or manslaughter.

Let's not redefine the word "accident" because we're angry people.

[Paul the Human]

I don't find myself wanting to point the finger of blame at BP, necessarily. I'm less concerned about who's fault this disaster was than I am about the results. 'Whodunit' doesn't really matter to the environment. It's done. All we can do is hope to prevent it from getting worse. And... it's worse than we were even told. BP originally reported 200k gallons per day was spewing into the gulf, but that was a lie (they call it an underestimation). It has actually been spewing over a million gallons per day all along.

Who cares who's fault it was? It happened and we will be dealing with it for generations to come.

[Pippy]

I am starting to get a little apocalyptic, like the old days.

I, like Paul stated, am getting a sick sinking feeling. This is nothing new for me, but I had long tempered my ferocious and overwhelming hatred for almost everything other people around me do with the philosophical mechanism that is belief. And drugs. Lots of those too.

Now I am starting to revert to anarcho-primitivist, certainly non-pacifistic "burn this fucker down" mode.

It even pains me that this thread counts as old. I am rehashing an old thread because the leak continues. We are safe in the north, but are both furious and crushed. I have family all over there though. My older cousin is a very well respected marine biologist who recently moved back to Florida, to Pensacola. I can't bring myself to call, I can't imagine how he is feeling. I have family in Houston, and Louisiana. I have family on the coast of North Carolina (there is this magic island there, shhhh) and I don't kid myself that the oil won't be at their house in a matter of months if not weeks.

This is a big thing. Paul also stated early on, a fucking month ago, that this was hard to wrap the mind around. I certainly agree. People can't bring themselves to hold a company that leased the rig, or a company that owned the rig, or a company that made the saftey mechanism, responsible. It is too world changing. They will be forced to hold a lifestyle and an ecological/economic concept accountable. This may be the straw (and what a whopper of a straw) that makes people choose sides. Any one ready to burn some shit down? There's some good riots (protests) coming to Ottawa this month. Show them that we westerners have decided to protest like Europeans. With fucking balls. To drag them out (not the balls), to start literally removing people from office. Boy am I angry.

Remember though, all praise is praise to Allah. That seems pertinent.

Here is something I just found shortly after posting from the wiki about the incident:
"Rich Luettich, director of the University of North Carolina Institute of Marine Sciences in Morehead City, said the oil could remain a problem for as much as a year, or even longer. He did say in the unlikely event the oil reached North Carolina's coast, the Outer Banks would provide significant protection.[116]"
All I can say is, 'Hey Dick, some motherfucking people motherfucking live on the motherfucking Outer Banks you motherfucker." Protect shmotect! Asshole.

Lynch mobs yet?
-Pip

[ib.me.ub]

Another 6 months and it will all be forgoten. Like everything else. Swept, under the carpet and forgoten. We will all look back every now and then, when it's on TV or in the paper and think, that was bad, but life goes on. Nothing seems to change from things like this. The animals die, the environment is polluted, but what really happens? Not a whole lot.

We all say we care, have morals, most here probably do, but most out there don't even care, or unaware, or have bigger problems! Dosen't it just seem like it is all to big to do anything now. Look at the world and how we produce energy. Damn it is a big process, not easily changed. But you know, the oil will run out one day. Just hope it dosen't happen in our life time, hey!!!