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How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 5:58 am
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 7:40 am
No different to Christianity or Judaism really.
Abrahamic religions suck.
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 8:20 am
Except perhaps for the deliberate burning of libraries. I've known about that for some time now, but I never knew exactly how those burnings fitted in with history.
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 8:25 am
(September 22, 2014 at 7:40 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No different to Christianity or Judaism really.
Abrahamic religions suck.
Actually quite different, Judaism never really spread and Christianity was spread with in the roman empire, mostly withput violence for the first 300 years
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 8:32 am
I don't have forty-five minutes to watch a video. Can you summarize?
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 9:46 am
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(September 22, 2014 at 8:25 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 22, 2014 at 7:40 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No different to Christianity or Judaism really.
Abrahamic religions suck.
Actually quite different, Judaism never really spread and Christianity was spread with in the roman empire, mostly withput violence for the first 300 years
Judaism did spread between 3rd and 1st century BC, Judiasm didn't spread wider because the overweening ethnocentrism built into the core of the religion handicapped it. The Jews, thanks to their religion and the deeply stratifying and ossifing institutions arising from the religion couldn't fit in, couldn't adapt, and couldn't fight worth a damn. Neither ethnocentrism nor the ossifing effect of Judiasm in what was a rapidly changing world are really a credit to it.
How much violence there was in the first 3 centuries of Christianity is hard to say. According to Christians all early Christians were martyrs. But if early Christianity didn't possess the power to act as it wished, what Christianity wished was made amply clear during the next thousand years, when it did have the power. It flayed alive those who sought to preserve and advanced philosophies and mathematics of the classical world, bleached ancient works so it could be overwritten with the doggerel a of the bible, and tore down wonders of the world to build dank monasteries.
Yes, the spread of Islam did involve a period of spectacular violence and book burning. But after just 2 centuries, the Muslim world had become the center of culture, mathematics, and learning far surpassing anything those living under the Christian yoke for 5 centuries could even dream of.
So the entire existence of the respective religions, Christianity had been a heavier burden upon intellectual and cultural development of the people under its yoke for far longer than had Islam.
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 12:12 pm
(September 22, 2014 at 9:46 am)Chuck Wrote: (September 22, 2014 at 8:25 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Actually quite different, Judaism never really spread and Christianity was spread with in the roman empire, mostly withput violence for the first 300 years
Judaism did spread between 3rd and 1st century BC, Judiasm didn't spread wider because the overweening ethnocentrism built into the core of the religion handicapped it. The Jews, thanks to their religion and the deeply stratifying and ossifing institutions arising from the religion couldn't fit in, couldn't adapt, and couldn't fight worth a damn. Neither ethnocentrism nor the ossifing effect of Judiasm in what was a rapidly changing world are really a credit to it.
How much violence there was in the first 3 centuries of Christianity is hard to say. According to Christians all early Christians were martyrs. But if early Christianity didn't possess the power to act as it wished, what Christianity wished was made amply clear during the next thousand years, when it did have the power. It flayed alive those who sought to preserve and advanced philosophies and mathematics of the classical world, bleached ancient works so it could be overwritten with the doggerel a of the bible, and tore down wonders of the world to build dank monasteries.
Yes, the spread of Islam did involve a period of spectacular violence and book burning. But after just 2 centuries, the Muslim world had become the center of culture, mathematics, and learning far surpassing anything those living under the Christian yoke for 5 centuries could even dream of.
So the entire existence of the respective religions, Christianity had been a heavier burden upon intellectual and cultural development of the people under its yoke for far longer than had Islam.
Actually rather ironically, it was exposure and trade with with Muslims that help spur the renansaince ( forgive spelling) because the crusades freed a lot of men from serfdom (A man was nmo longer a serf if he had been gone for a year and a day or something to that effect) and also the Arabs did a particularly good job furthering medicine and astronomy.
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To the last syllable of recorded time;
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Quote: mostly withput violence for the first 300 years
Except against any who resisted.....you forgot that part.
Quote:Judaism did spread between 3rd and 1st century BC,
Actually we only have one documented instance of forced conversion to judaism and that was by three late Hasmonean kings; John Hyrcanus (Idumea) and Aristobulus I and Alexander Jannaeus (Galilee). This period of 105 - 95 BC represents the only jewish "imperial" period and quickly fell apart after Jannaeus' death.
Hyrcanus did attack Samaria and destroy the temple at Mt. Gezerim but the Samaritans considered themselves "jews" already so that can hardly be counted. But they did have that fucking temple and boy did that piss off the priests in Jerusalem!
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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(September 22, 2014 at 9:46 am)Chuck Wrote: So the entire existence of the respective religions, Christianity had been a heavier burden upon intellectual and cultural development of the people under its yoke for far longer than had Islam. Islam appears to be making up for lost time, whittling down the sizeable lead that christianity worked so hard to establish. Kind of sad, given the history that you just mentioned, particularly. Also, I suppose it might be useful to add that while impressive in it;s own right, the science of the time wasn't really all that challenging for islamic theology. Had there been a medeival Darwin - what do you think the odds are that his head would have remained on his shoulders (or his hands on his arms - with which to pen his work)?
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RE: How the middle east became muslim
September 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm
The lead Christianity accumulated over the centuries is so vast and the rate of cumulative had been so prodigious that pitiful efforts of ISIS and Al queda is not even keeping pace with what Christianity had done when Christianity was the same age as Islam is today, much less closing the gap.
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