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RE: This is the Problem
October 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 11:36 pm)Jenny A Wrote: There's quite a list of people who believed in the Egyptian gods, the Greek gods etc. A list of people who believed is not evidence.
They are equivalent. Both myths.
You simply don't get it, do you? Time and again, I have provided strong evidence for my statements, and all I get in return is arrogance and ignorance.
If evidence is repeating is so over and over you've provided evidence. Otherwise not.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 12:17 am
(October 23, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Christian Wrote: You guys just don't get it, do you?
I have offered countless proofs and all you can do is ridicule me and my Lord? I didn't ridicule you, and you ignored my post...
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 12:20 am
(October 23, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Christian Wrote: You simply don't get it, do you? Time and again, I have provided strong evidence for my statements, and all I get in return is arrogance and ignorance.
Please, once again, engage in discussion. Please post the links to your posts containing evidence. Then look at the posts after yours. Instead of calling our responses 'arrogance and ignorance,' why not provide a rebuttal?
This guy has got to be a PoeTroll.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 1:30 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2014 at 1:32 am by Minimalist.)
(October 23, 2014 at 7:45 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: Then let me rephrase that to, the lack of evidence for a deity points to.
You simply cannot discard evidence for Lord Jesus Christ.
Lucian
Pliny the younger
Josephus
St. Ignatius of Antioch.
Tacitus
Suetonius
Aristides
Galenus
Lampridius
Watch me, fuckhead. Pliny, Suetonius, Tacitus, & Galenus never heard of any fucker named "jesus." Pliny and Suetonius probably were talking about Chrestians not Christians and Tacitus is a much later forgery and even the forgery only mentions "Christus". Galen knew of xtians and christ which figures since he died in the 3d century.
Lucian was a second century satirist making fun of xtians but well after Justin Martyr had started writing. You left out Celsus who also knew of xtians and thought very little of them. We can forgive you for skipping over him although as a mid to late second century writer he does serve to place the development of this xtian mythology into that time period.
Josephus is a bald-faced forgery by Eusebius or some scribe in his employ. Doubtlessly embarrassed by the failure of the godboy to make any mark on history.
Aristedes' "apology" proceeds from a 6th century religious novel which was later cobbled into Syriac. It is a speech given to one of the characters.
Ignatius of Antioch is pseudoepigraphic horseshit, like the pastoral epistles of "paul." http://www.bible.ca/history-ignatius-for...-250AD.htm
Aelius Lampridius is far too late historically to be of any significance.
How come you didn't trot out Mara ben Serapion? Fuckheads like you usually shit your pants claiming that he was talking about your godboy.
Are you slipping?
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 1:53 am
(October 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 9:09 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: ko
You are not well versed in the art of logic and are clearly outclassed here,
Hold on Mister! Who is reality is outclassed is you! I have been answering all your questions, albeit some stupid ones, with resounding preciseness and speed, and you are labeling me as outclassed. I can debate you unconditionally any day.
Alright, all do a debate thread with you. The truth of Christianity can be the topic and we can do it whenever is good for you.
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Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 1:55 am
(October 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm)Christian Wrote: That non-Christians think that the Old Testament is a Christian text and true believers of Christ are somehow bound to it by letter.
OT was a Jew law and does not apply to Christ believers anymore. That does not mean we can use the good things from it and discard the rest. I believe in the 10 commandments - does not mean I have to follow the OT.
But you are not representing every Christian, most Christians say they believe the bible completely. All you are doing is cherry picking, just trying to protect your precious beliefs of the bible.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 2:27 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2014 at 2:32 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(October 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 8:08 pm)Beccs Wrote: We've found Troy.
There's evidence of battles being fought there.
We have evidence that a number of people mentioned actually existed, particularly Agamemnon.
Since this is much of the evidence criteria Christians use to claim the veracity of the bible, then we can logically use it to verify the accuracy of the Odyssey
Please don't equate myths with truth. Lord Jesus Christ is the truth.
Typical theist reaponse.
When their 'evidence' is revealed to be a nonsense just follow up with an assertion of truth.
Seriously, how do you guys actually believe this crap? It's so laughingly ridiculous.
(October 23, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Christian Wrote: So the whole forum wants to gang up on a lone Christian trying to bring light to everyone. Ok, fair enough.
GTFO. You start a thread posting nonsense and when called out on it you suddenly pull a Jesus and start acting persecuted?
What are you, fucking 5? Don't want your ideas and beliefs revealed to be the joke they are? Shut up about them. Else grow some balls.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 2:36 am
(October 23, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Christian Wrote: You simply don't get it, do you? Time and again, I have provided strong evidence for my statements, and all I get in return is arrogance and ignorance.
What is this? Opposite day?
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 8:25 am
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(October 24, 2014 at 2:27 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm)Christian Wrote: Please don't equate myths with truth. Lord Jesus Christ is the truth.
Typical theist reaponse.
When their 'evidence' is revealed to be a nonsense just follow up with an assertion of truth.
Seriously, how do you guys actually believe this crap? It's so laughingly ridiculous.
(October 23, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Christian Wrote: So the whole forum wants to gang up on a lone Christian trying to bring light to everyone. Ok, fair enough.
GTFO. You start a thread posting nonsense and when called out on it you suddenly pull a Jesus and start acting persecuted?
What are you, fucking 5? Don't want your ideas and beliefs revealed to be the joke they are? Shut up about them. Else grow some balls.
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RE: This is the Problem
October 24, 2014 at 8:56 am
(October 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm)Christian Wrote: That non-Christians think that the Old Testament is a Christian text and true believers of Christ are somehow bound to it by letter.
OT was a Jew law and does not apply to Christ believers anymore. That does not mean we can use the good things from it and discard the rest. I believe in the 10 commandments - does not mean I have to follow the OT.
This is the problem: your iron-age religion chose to piggy back on a rather barbaric bronze-age religion. That's just something you and your apologetics are going to have to cope with.
Also, when quote-mining Jesus to say that the OT doesn't apply, it's not honest to ignore the next verse where he says that it does apply until the heavens and the earth pass. Oops. Learn to Bible:
Matthew 5:17-18
Quote:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
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