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Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
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#91
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:37 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2014 at 7:41 pm by Mystic.)
(October 23, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Beccs Wrote: [Image: circular-reasoning1.jpg]

It actually does.

I got to do what got to do! Why? Because I got to do what I got to do! Why? Because I got to do what I got to do!....
(October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Christian Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.

Free-will and choice are bound to linear time and we travel time from past to future. There is nothing preventing God from seeing our whole life at once, including all our choices, and being all-knowing while preserving our free will.

If the past, present, and future exist, there is no free-will.

The present could only become one future, there is no other possible future. Which means there is no choice.

The only way free-will is possible is if the future is unknown variable, not set in stone.

This doesn't only mean God can't know the future, it means all that time travel with all time existing at once non-sense is all untrue in science fiction.

If either God knows the future or the future exists, then free-will is impossible.
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#92
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 2:27 am
(October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Christian Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.

Free-will and choice are bound to linear time and we travel time from past to future. There is nothing preventing God from seeing our whole life at once, including all our choices, and being all-knowing while preserving our free will.

Except that freewill had nothing to do with linear time at all. Even if my consequences to choices act in a nonlinear manner, I can still make the choice.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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#93
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 9:52 am
(October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Christian Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.

Free-will and choice are bound to linear time and we travel time from past to future. There is nothing preventing God from seeing our whole life at once, including all our choices, and being all-knowing while preserving our free will.

So can I choose to act in a way god does not know?

If I can't, so much for free will. If I can, so much for god's omniscience.
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#94
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 10:03 am (This post was last modified: October 24, 2014 at 10:06 am by Whateverist.)
(October 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Double troll. [Image: coffee.gif]

You give him too much credit. I doubt he is bright enough for deliberate duplicity.
(October 23, 2014 at 7:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If the past, present, and future exist, there is no free-will.

Well there you go. Only the present exists. The past existed only when it was present. The future won't exist until it becomes present. Ride the wave, man.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 10:22 am (This post was last modified: October 24, 2014 at 10:27 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
<edited, point has moved on>

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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 5:45 pm (This post was last modified: October 24, 2014 at 5:52 pm by Ksa.)
(October 23, 2014 at 4:31 pm)Christian Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 4:30 pm)Beccs Wrote: And that doesn't apply to these Muslims?

Double standards, methinks.

It's in their Koran that asks for death and destruction.

Surat Al-Ma'idah [5:32] is very violent and promotes killing, indeed.

My country did excellent police work, they were dealing with a crazy man and they put him down within seconds. Bibeau was target practice, what can I say...thank God he lacked training, automatic firepower and full body armor. All I know is he took by surprise an unarmed member of the armed forces, in a peaceful downtown place where tourists gather to take photos.

If he was a Christian like Emil Matasareanu, it pains me to imagine how different the scene would have been.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 24, 2014 at 6:37 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm)Christian Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Do you mean in the last couple of months?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka

They are not Christians, they are just killers and murderers using the name of God to justify their killing.

No True Scotsman fallacy.

You lack critical thinking skills.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 26, 2014 at 2:03 am
(October 23, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Christian Wrote: Is the reason why you need Christ in your life, not allah. How many Christian converts ever gunned down people?

Way too many.

Cue True Christian excuses.
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