Killing of homosexuals/apostates/adulterous in Quran/Bible

[Mystic]

One of the things Muslims believe is that Quran came to correct the Bible were it was wrong. In the Bible it was taught that God once commanded to kill for

1) Adultery (stoning)
2) Apostasy
3) Men having sex with each other

Now the Quran states Bani-Israel were in fact only allowed to kill for two reasons:


مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

1) would be for murder (the person killed another person)
2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

Now

Adultery would be neither of these
Homosexuals having sex would be neither of these
And an apostate leaving his religion would neither of these

Yet Muslims believe these were laws of Musa that were also laws of Mohammad.

[Chas]

What point are you trying to make?

[psychoslice]

Its sound like their religion as other religions need to grow up, the ignorant and superstitious past should remain where it is, in the past.

[Mystic]

What point are you trying to make?

If hadiths were referred back to Quran and see if it contradicts it, there wouldn't be these unethical killings in the name of the religion.

[Chas]

What point are you trying to make?

If hadiths were referred back to Quran and see if it contradicts it, there wouldn't be these unethical killings in the name of the religion.

But that will never happen.

[Brian37]

What point are you trying to make?

If hadiths were referred back to Quran and see if it contradicts it, there wouldn't be these unethical killings in the name of the religion.

If Star wars didn't refer to the dark side there would be no Darth Vader.

Nope, all holy books are weapons. The words are there for any sect of any religion to use it as a weapon to justify their own tribalism. That is because ALL religions are merely a reflection of our evolutionary grouping.

They are no more than books of myth written in antiquity having nothing to do with modern pluralism or modern knowledge of science or human psychology.

[paulpablo]

One of the things Muslims believe is that Quran came to correct the Bible were it was wrong. In the Bible it was taught that God once commanded to kill for

1) Adultery (stoning)
2) Apostasy
3) Men having sex with each other

Now the Quran states Bani-Israel were in fact only allowed to kill for two reasons:


مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

1) would be for murder (the person killed another person)
2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

Now

Adultery would be neither of these
Homosexuals having sex would be neither of these
And an apostate leaving his religion would neither of these

Yet Muslims believe these were laws of Musa that were also laws of Mohammad.

I'm sure I've heard of other circumstances. There's a part in the quran where a woman can be imprisoned at home until she starves to death, as a punishment for some sort of sexual crime.

I think the reason why Muslims stone people to death even though the quran doesn't mention it is because of the hadiths, which talk of how Muhammad wanted adulterers and homosexuals to be treated.

If you view the quran as a technical document of strict instructions there's actually nothing in the quran forbidding gay marriage either, it does give explicit codes of law about who a man is not allowed to marry, and other men is not mentioned in the law.

[Ksa]

2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

The correct verse states for spreading corruption in the land. Who says " like war" ? MysticKnight. Nowhere found in the Qur'an. In fact being gay is the definition of spreading corruption in the land, among others.

God HATES GAYS. Do you get it kid? God, HATES, GAY.

[JuliaL]

2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

This is why law is written in defined and specific language.
'Mischief in the land,' like 'high crimes and misdemeanors' is so vague and open ended that it means whatever the enforcing body wants it to mean in an instance where it is invoked. In the case of the Koran, that would be the ecclesiastical authorities. No real help for anybody there.

[Minimalist]

In the Bible it was taught that God once commanded to kill for

1) Adultery (stoning)
2) Apostasy
3) Men having sex with each other

I don't know where you got that from. The list is much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cap...te_note-43

According to the Torah or Law of Moses, these are the offenses which may merit the death penalty in a Jewish Beth din court of 23 judges.