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[FatAndFaithless]

Erm.. I do believe Hoops was joking, Brian. Thought he demonstrated that in his response to my silly question.

[Hoopington]

A pretty powerful message here:

That was petty theft and misdemeanor assault. And I have assaulted a cop myself so basically you are advocating cops act as judges and executioners.

I am not going to go over the list of stupid shit I did again. I am not going to go over the countless fights I have seen that go way beyond a mere shove.I will not repeat again that I had a cop draw his gun on me over a cap gun I was holding. I will not repeat again that I have also seen my friends shoplift too.

I am sick of this crap of everyone taking MERE EXPLANATION of WHY things end up happening the way they do as advocating lawlessness.

This crap is the same crap I get from theists who mistake the issue of rights with ability to demonstrate credibility of a claim.

1. No one is saying Brown should have stolen the cigars. No one is saying he should have shoved the clerk.

2. No one is claiming Brown had the right to resist Wilson.

When you keep repeating simplistic answers to arguments I am not even making, that means you are stuck on a meme, a fallacy and are not interested in problem solving.

CONDITIONS

Understanding is the first step to problem solving. Placing blame is not how you problem solve.

You don't have much of a sense of humour do you Brian?

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Well hey, some people here believe some pretty nutty shit, just making sure.

Oh, I know, which makes the posting of that kind of thing all the more fun.

For the record Brian, I agree for the most part, so chill your beans.

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A pretty powerful message here:

That was petty theft and misdemeanor assault. And I have assaulted a cop myself so basically you are advocating cops act as judges and executioners.

I am not going to go over the list of stupid shit I did again. I am not going to go over the countless fights I have seen that go way beyond a mere shove.I will not repeat again that I had a cop draw his gun on me over a cap gun I was holding. I will not repeat again that I have also seen my friends shoplift too.

I am sick of this crap of everyone taking MERE EXPLANATION of WHY things end up happening the way they do as advocating lawlessness.

This crap is the same crap I get from theists who mistake the issue of rights with ability to demonstrate credibility of a claim.

1. No one is saying Brown should have stolen the cigars. No one is saying he should have shoved the clerk.

2. No one is claiming Brown had the right to resist Wilson.

When you keep repeating simplistic answers to arguments I am not even making, that means you are stuck on a meme, a fallacy and are not interested in problem solving.

CONDITIONS

Understanding is the first step to problem solving. Placing blame is not how you problem solve.

With all due respect, stop reciting your experiences with the police and/or violence, it turns people off.

Nobody is impressed, despite you repeating yourself time and again.

[Brian37]

Erm.. I do believe Hoops was joking, Brian. Thought he demonstrated that in his response to my silly question.

Ok, I am a little raw on this because I am admittedly taking this personally. There would have been a time in my past where I would have sided with Wilson blindly. But since I moved down here where I am now and the first time in my life I interacted with blacks and worked with them on a daily basis and seen the racism and profiling first hand. I never was raised a bigot, but most blacks I ran into growing up were merely in passing and never daily contact.

None of this is excusing anyone. None of what I argue is saying all cops are bad. I am saying there is too much over simplification that prevents far too many from understanding the reaction to Brown is a long term result of conditions.

Text is hard to determine sarcasm sometimes. Sorry.

[Bad Wolf]

And yet again, a flat out refusal to answer my questions.

[Brian37]

That was petty theft and misdemeanor assault. And I have assaulted a cop myself so basically you are advocating cops act as judges and executioners.

I am not going to go over the list of stupid shit I did again. I am not going to go over the countless fights I have seen that go way beyond a mere shove.I will not repeat again that I had a cop draw his gun on me over a cap gun I was holding. I will not repeat again that I have also seen my friends shoplift too.

I am sick of this crap of everyone taking MERE EXPLANATION of WHY things end up happening the way they do as advocating lawlessness.

This crap is the same crap I get from theists who mistake the issue of rights with ability to demonstrate credibility of a claim.

1. No one is saying Brown should have stolen the cigars. No one is saying he should have shoved the clerk.

2. No one is claiming Brown had the right to resist Wilson.

When you keep repeating simplistic answers to arguments I am not even making, that means you are stuck on a meme, a fallacy and are not interested in problem solving.

CONDITIONS

Understanding is the first step to problem solving. Placing blame is not how you problem solve.

You don't have much of a sense of humour do you Brian?

---

Well hey, some people here believe some pretty nutty shit, just making sure.

Oh, I know, which makes the posting of that kind of thing all the more fun.

For the record Brian, I agree for the most part, so chill your beans.

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That was petty theft and misdemeanor assault. And I have assaulted a cop myself so basically you are advocating cops act as judges and executioners.

I am not going to go over the list of stupid shit I did again. I am not going to go over the countless fights I have seen that go way beyond a mere shove.I will not repeat again that I had a cop draw his gun on me over a cap gun I was holding. I will not repeat again that I have also seen my friends shoplift too.

I am sick of this crap of everyone taking MERE EXPLANATION of WHY things end up happening the way they do as advocating lawlessness.

This crap is the same crap I get from theists who mistake the issue of rights with ability to demonstrate credibility of a claim.

1. No one is saying Brown should have stolen the cigars. No one is saying he should have shoved the clerk.

2. No one is claiming Brown had the right to resist Wilson.

When you keep repeating simplistic answers to arguments I am not even making, that means you are stuck on a meme, a fallacy and are not interested in problem solving.

CONDITIONS

Understanding is the first step to problem solving. Placing blame is not how you problem solve.

With all due respect, stop reciting your experiences with the police and/or violence, it turns people off.

Nobody is impressed, despite you repeating yourself time and again.

Who the fuck is trying to impress anyone? I was a dorky nerd. I was bullied as a teen. I got beat up on my street and in high school. But that does not mean I was living in an island. There were other people in my life whom I interacted with, stupidly followed. There were other teen boys in my life, and other young adults in my life, regardless of my size.

So you are saying I am lying when I say I had a toy cap gun? Are you calling me a liar when I say I stupidly followed other "friends" in smashing cars for "fun"? You saying I am lying when I said I threw my wallet at a cop?

I could give a fuck less if you are impressed with my life. I was not presenting that to impress anyone. Just the opposite. I am using it to demonstrate that my behavior is part of a range of ALL young stupid teens. The difference is when I made mistakes I didn't end up dead.

[FatAndFaithless]

Uhhhhhh....nobody mentioned anything about you lying...at all..

[Hoopington]

You don't have much of a sense of humour do you Brian?

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Oh, I know, which makes the posting of that kind of thing all the more fun.

For the record Brian, I agree for the most part, so chill your beans.

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With all due respect, stop reciting your experiences with the police and/or violence, it turns people off.

Nobody is impressed, despite you repeating yourself time and again.

Who the fuck is trying to impress anyone? I was a dorky nerd. I was bullied as a teen. I got beat up on my street and in high school. But that does not mean I was living in an island. There were other people in my life whom I interacted with, stupidly followed. There were other teen boys in my life, and other young adults in my life, regardless of my size.

So you are saying I am lying when I say I had a toy cap gun? Are you calling me a liar when I say I stupidly followed other "friends" in smashing cars for "fun"? You saying I am lying when I said I threw my wallet at a cop?

I could give a fuck less if you are impressed with my life. I was not presenting that to impress anyone. Just the opposite. I am using it to demonstrate that my behavior is part of a range of ALL young stupid teens. The difference is when I made mistakes I didn't end up dead.

Not lying, just irrelevant.

Anybody reading through this thread would be genuinely confused as to any point you're making.

You were bullied as a teen and also a bit of a dick, but didn't get shot by a cop. Well holy fuck......that's some kind of a story.

An irrelevant kind of a story.

I'd also just like to point out your use of language such as "first time I'd interacted with blacks" is absolutely fucking horrendous. I'd imagine officer Wilson uses very similar in private.

[Brian37]

Uhhhhhh....nobody mentioned anything about you lying...at all..

Of course not so, "no one is impressed" is not an appropriate response which wasn't even why I was doing that. That was a dismissal.

So if I am not lying there is no good reason to dismiss my accounts.

The reason I brought up my life is to show people that there is a difference between how whites are treated and blacks are treated, as a CLIMATE.

If everyone here treated whites the same as blacks there would be more dead whites.

THAT was the point of my stories. No one is trying to excuse bad behavior. I was not telling these stories to sound bad. What I did was stupid. I feel lucky that I outgrew that behavior.

Even if you want to argue "We are not accusing you of lying, just saying it has nothing to do with this"

My argument is YES IT DOES.

Blacks get treated ON AVERAGE much harsher and are treated differently under similar circumstances.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well good for you, you are either braver or more stupid than Wilson. Bravery and stupidity are very hard to tell apart.
You didn't run away or shoot the guy and you got half your ear bitten off. Maybe Wilson didn't want his ear bitten off either, or worse.

Well, maybe Wilson had non-lethal weapons on his person, and the training to use them, too. Maybe he could have come to a non-lethal resolution to the situation. Maybe he was a policeman imbued with an overweening sense of arrogance and was a touch badge-heavy.

Maybe you missed the point.

[FatAndFaithless]

Uhhhhhh....nobody mentioned anything about you lying...at all..

Of course not so, "no one is impressed" is not an appropriate response which wasn't even why I was doing that. That was a dismissal.

So if I am not lying there is no good reason to dismiss my accounts.

The reason I brought up my life is to show people that there is a difference between how whites are treated and blacks are treated, as a CLIMATE.

If everyone here treated whites the same as blacks there would be more dead whites.

THAT was the point of my stories. No one is trying to excuse bad behavior. I was not telling these stories to sound bad. What I did was stupid. I feel lucky that I outgrew that behavior.

Even if you want to argue "We are not accusing you of lying, just saying it has nothing to do with this"

My argument is YES IT DOES.

Blacks get treated ON AVERAGE much harsher and are treated differently under similar circumstances.

*Backs away slowly*