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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 12:34 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (December 3, 2014 at 12:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Uhhhhhh....nobody mentioned anything about you lying...at all..
Of course not so, "no one is impressed" is not an appropriate response which wasn't even why I was doing that. That was a dismissal.
So if I am not lying there is no good reason to dismiss my accounts.
The reason I brought up my life is to show people that there is a difference between how whites are treated and blacks are treated, as a CLIMATE.
If everyone here treated whites the same as blacks there would be more dead whites.
THAT was the point of my stories. No one is trying to excuse bad behavior. I was not telling these stories to sound bad. What I did was stupid. I feel lucky that I outgrew that behavior.
Even if you want to argue "We are not accusing you of lying, just saying it has nothing to do with this"
My argument is YES IT DOES.
Blacks get treated ON AVERAGE much harsher and are treated differently under similar circumstances.
I think you're a bit mental.
Your astonishingly shit story about a very average teenage period, as relevant as you think it is, simply isn't.
Sorry that makes you so angry.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 12:34 pm
(This post was last modified: December 3, 2014 at 12:36 pm by Bad Wolf.)
(December 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Well, maybe Wilson had non-lethal weapons on his person, and the training to use them, too. Maybe he could have come to a non-lethal resolution to the situation. Maybe he was a policeman imbued with an overweening sense of arrogance and was a touch badge-heavy.
Maybe Wilson didn't have time to put away his gun and pull out his taser. Maybe Wilson thought Brown had a gun. Maybe you are assuming too much about Wilson
(December 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Maybe you missed the point.
I forget, what was your point?
Oh and Brian, little tip, when a sentence is ended with this symbol: '?' It means it is a question. Something for which an answer is expected and usually required. Either address the question or actually state that you are ignoring me.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 2:28 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 12:34 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (December 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Well, maybe Wilson had non-lethal weapons on his person, and the training to use them, too. Maybe he could have come to a non-lethal resolution to the situation. Maybe he was a policeman imbued with an overweening sense of arrogance and was a touch badge-heavy.
Maybe Wilson didn't have time to put away his gun and pull out his taser. Maybe Wilson thought Brown had a gun. Maybe you are assuming too much about Wilson
(December 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Maybe you missed the point.
I forget, what was your point?
Oh and Brian, little tip, when a sentence is ended with this symbol: '?' It means it is a question. Something for which an answer is expected and usually required. Either address the question or actually state that you are ignoring me.
There was enough time for Wilson to hear "fuck you" in response.
Explain to me why you would pull up that close to someone in the first place? Because it is a good idea, or because you can? Because your title makes you boss?
Arguing over what happened that cannot be changed is not what we mean by "it could have been prevented".
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 2:59 pm
I was refering back to the questions you ignored back on page 19.
(December 3, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: There was enough time for Wilson to hear "fuck you" in response.
Which automatically means that violence will ensue?
(December 3, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Explain to me why you would pull up that close to someone in the first place? Because it is a good idea, or because you can? Because your title makes you boss?
Because they were walking in the road and he was driving in the road. The road is a place for cars, not people. How close exactly do you think he pulled up to them? Wilson stayed on his side of the road didn't he?
(December 3, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Arguing over what happened that cannot be changed is not what we mean by "it could have been prevented".
I'm not arguing that, that has never been my position. All i'm doing is questioning your presumptions.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 10:47 am)Hoopington Wrote: A pretty powerful message here:
![[Image: 274f9.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com%2F274f9.jpg) And the original.
![[Image: angelique_tremell_louis.JPG]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=blogs.riverfronttimes.com%2Fdailyrft%2Fangelique_tremell_louis.JPG)
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 5:56 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: [quote='Hoopington' pid='809103' dateline='1417618041']
A pretty powerful message here:
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I really am disturbed that anyone even photoshoped this sign at all to read like the altered version did. Making jokes like this is like dancing on someone's grave. Even if you believe Wilson acted correctly or was justified, at the very least the death of Michael Brown should be a tragedy.
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December 3, 2014 at 6:14 pm
Tragedy is a bit of a strong word isn't it? I don't know what he was like but you don't really get the impression that he was a very nice man, at least, not from this photo.
![[Image: 13656033.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=jacksonville.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fsuperphoto%2F13656033.jpg)
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 6:39 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 6:14 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Tragedy is a bit of a strong word isn't it? I don't know what he was like but you don't really get the impression that he was a very nice man, at least, not from this photo.
Technically, "tragedy" does not require that the person who either suffers from or causes the bad events was nice or innocent. Quite the contrary, actually. The very word means it was caused by human failing.
For example, if someone walks outside and is struck by lightning (due to an random event of nature, not some punishment by any god) and dies, that is NOT a tragedy. There was no human action which caused the bad event and there was no way the man could possibly have foreseen the consequences to walking outside at that moment. Some people might call it "a tragedy" that but that is a misuse of the word.
"Tragedy" is where the bad event was avoidable and caused by human factors. If someone walks outside while drunk, gets in a car and kills himself when he drives it off a cliff because of his intoxication, that IS a tragedy. Similarly, if he were to kill someone else because of his actions, driving while drunk, that would also be a "tragedy".
Michael Brown, whatever you may think of him personally, did not need to die that day. Therefore, his death was a "tragedy" in the proper use of the word. The only debate is who's fault you think it was. Was it his human failings or the police officer's or both?
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 6:49 pm
(December 3, 2014 at 6:14 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Tragedy is a bit of a strong word isn't it? I don't know what he was like but you don't really get the impression that he was a very nice man, at least, not from this photo.
Particularly since that's a picture of Joda Cain; a murder suspect from in Oregon. Marc Catron, the poster, is a Kansas City police officer.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/realmikebrown.asp
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December 3, 2014 at 7:20 pm
Quote:It's not clear whether Catron mistook Cain for Brown or whether the misidentification was deliberate.
You know cops. They think they all look alike.
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