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**Minimalist** · (This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 12:41 am by Minimalist.)

(December 11, 2014 at 10:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(December 10, 2014 at 1:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Slaves submit.

Love of the beloved compels me to be his slave and I take being his slave as an honor.

I regard this as your problem. Grovel to the imaginary if you like.

(December 11, 2014 at 11:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:
(December 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Sorry all I could think of when I read the Title was BDSM.

Two pages in, I'm still disappointed. Time to trawl Literotica.

(December 10, 2014 at 1:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Slaves submit.

Does the slave-Leia costume count?

Of course.

Thumpalumpacus · December 12, 2014 at 1:14 am

(December 2, 2014 at 10:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Worship of God should be in the spirit of love.

Love is a two-way street.

SteelCurtain · December 12, 2014 at 1:33 am

I'll just drop this right here...

http://davo.co/1yAbPuY

**robvalue** · December 12, 2014 at 4:32 am

Er, what the fuck? Did this news story come through a time warp from biblical times?

**thesummerqueen** · December 12, 2014 at 4:39 am

(December 12, 2014 at 1:33 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'll just drop this right here...

http://davo.co/1yAbPuY

They fuck up even something as awesome as spanking.

downbeatplumb · December 12, 2014 at 6:26 am

(December 2, 2014 at 10:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Islam describes the religion of God to be submission to God. But why is that the case? Submission implies it's an act of accepting a duty required by God.

But why should this be the spirit of humans? Why not an act of valuing morality or God? Why not an act of love towards God or goodness or people. Why not of appreciation of God?

Why is the religion described to be submission? Why not love?

In the Bible it is reported the two laws are love of God with all the heart and love of each human like love of yourself.

That makes more sense as a religion and law, then submission. Submission implies people do it out of a sense of duty. But I don't think this an accurate description of how humans or even Muslims operate.

People act out of valuing, loving, appreciating...People connect to the Divine because God means something great to them.

Worship shouldn't be an act of submission, but an act of love.

IMHO it is because the manipulators who invented the religion wanted people to blindly follow whatever they said without question.
They wanted an easily controllable population and military.

Rayaan · (This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 7:51 am by Rayaan.)

(December 3, 2014 at 4:29 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't know how you can ever love someone who is threatening to fuck you up one way or another if you don't do what they say.

There surely has to be consequences when you transgress the rules that you've been told to follow. It is this way for a reason.

And a part of loving God is to accept His authority over us. If God was unconditionally merciful to all people no matter what they did, then He wouldn't exist as an authority over us, and so then people would just forget about Him as if they don't need Him anymore. That would create a passive and self-serving kind of love towards God because that's not going to change anyone. Real love transforms people and rouses them into action.

(December 10, 2014 at 1:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Slaves submit.

One day you and everyone else will return to their Lord like slaves, anyway ...

"The Day that the caller will call them to a terrible thing, they will come forth with humbled eyes from (their) graves as if they were locusts spread abroad. Hastening towards the caller, the disbelievers will say: 'This is a hard Day.'" (Surah 54:6-8)

Then the disbelievers will wish they had submitted.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 8:53 am by robvalue.)

If a God was wonderful and worthy of respect, he would get respect. If he made me and made my life wonderful, and everyone else's, I would respect him. Maybe not worship, but I'd be very thankful and I'd not forget him.

That's hardly the case. My life could be far worse, but on average I rate my mood at about 1-2 out of 10, 10 being normal healthy hapiness. If he made me and wanted me to be happy, he done fucked up.

Worshipping is just weird, and why the hell would an omnipotent being require it? Or anything? A dead giveaway that it's another pile of crap.

Erm, rayaan, I have no clue what you're talking about. Are you defending enforced worship? I can't make any sense of what you wrote. Threats are threats. They are not love.

I have a series of videos that give you an idea why threats and free choice do not go together well. Please watch.

http://youtu.be/aUtSM2oVy_E

Chas · (This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 9:05 am by Chas.)

(December 12, 2014 at 7:28 am)Rayaan Wrote: One day you and everyone else will return to their Lord like slaves, anyway ...

You have no evidence of that.

Quote:"The Day that the caller will call them to a terrible thing, they will come forth with humbled eyes from (their) graves as if they were locusts spread abroad. Hastening towards the caller, the disbelievers will say: 'This is a hard Day.'" (Surah 54:6-8)

Then the disbelievers will wish they had submitted.

Don't be ridiculous.

**thesummerqueen** · (This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 9:18 am by thesummerqueen.)

I wouldn't want to return to anyone who wanted me to be a slave anyway.

At least, not in the non-BDSM sense.

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