What steve are we talking about?
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Atheism, A Grim Position?
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 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione 
Yo, Steve-o, do you think we're all Obama-loving democrats, too?
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
Ok, I get it. My bad. So atheism doesn't have any tenets beyond "Atheism is lack of belief in a deity or deities". But I'm curious then. Are there atheists who disagree with what I mistakenly called tenets in my first post?
* There is no ultimate meaning. * There is no ultimate basis for value. * There is no ultimate intentionality associated with/in reality. If so, I'd like to hear what those disagreements are. 
Define "ultimate".
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (January 6, 2015 at 9:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: But as far as our time while we are alive as individuals yes our lives have meaning. I find it absurd to think because we are finite we cannot enjoy the finite time we have. I agree. (January 6, 2015 at 9:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: So why would the thought of your non existence be anymore frightening? I don't have a problem with my non-existence. I suspect that will be the case.  (January 6, 2015 at 10:41 am)*steve* Wrote: Ok, I get it. My bad. So atheism doesn't have any tenets beyond "Atheism is lack of belief in a deity or deities". But I'm curious then. Are there atheists who disagree with what I mistakenly called tenets in my first post? What precisely do you mean by ultimate?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
So, is there a "purpose" to life "upon which all else is based"? Doesn't seem to be any reason to think so, so I don't believe that, no. There's no need to consider my life or anyone else's as contingent upon some objective or absolute, externally-created purpose. I create my own purpose; whether or not it's ultimate is something about which I don't give a shit.
As to your other two "points", you'll have to describe them more. What the hell is a "ultimate basis for value" or an "ultimate intentionality associated with reality"?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (January 6, 2015 at 10:58 am)*steve* Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 10:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Define "ultimate". Why can't I simply define my opinion to be either of those things? I'm still wondering whether these statements aren't empty.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(January 6, 2015 at 10:54 am)Alex K Wrote: What precisely do you mean by ultimate? Take the US Supreme Court as metaphor for it. That court is the final adjudicator for what is consistent with the constitution and what is not. There is no higher authority that can be appealed to in that adjudication. It stops there. |
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