Detecting design or intent in nature

[abaris]

All he said is that you [consciously] know that you will die, and that already means that the TOK makes reference to the conscious mind in us.

What's a TOK when it's at home?

[Surgenator]

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You are definetly not a catholic. I find very ammusing that Gods reward for us to reason kick us out of Eden and let us die. Some loving god.

Hold it please, you are RUSHING TO THE CONCLUSION because he did not say that otherwise you will not die. All he said is that you [consciously] know that you will die, and that already means that the TOK makes reference to the conscious mind in us.

If original sin did not make us conscious we would not consciously know that we will die, and therefore also will have no dream to live because a divided mind is needed to dream.

From here it follows that "it will be an evil age when old men shall have dreams", to say that IF old men have dreams we live in an evil age = not native to man in the image of God

The trick used here was "lexischemi" as one of the 6 original tricks used to lead, or perhaps mislead and deceive humans to do their dirty work for them (and they just harvest the gold, you can say).

So in essence they were 'people ranchers', you can now say, and that is what the shepherd-sheep image was about, and that idea was sold by Eusebius to Constantine back then and the rest is history we can say.

The other 5 tricks used were called homonimity, amphiboly, synthesis, diairesis and prosedy. We know then all as linguistic fallacies today and really all it means is "reader beware" and hence the Imprimatur is needed from the good old Catholic pope, and further, and advisory is issued against reading the bible on your own.

Then I can add that if eternal life belongs to the mythology they would have eminent domain over us, and that surely would be after tax and therefore they are exempt. In other words, they are entitled to the net and therefore all roads lead to Rome.

Obviously required here was that eternal life must be found before they could collect, and that merely is promise made at Baptism, I think, and that would be why only Catholic water will do the trick for them.

And is that still Catholic here?

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I just can't take you seriously when you say such BS. But, thanks for the laughts.

[Cyberman]

What's a TOK when it's at home?

Theory Of Ketchup. I got it straight from the sauce.

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[abaris]

I just can't take you seriously when you say such BS. But, thanks for the laughts.

I stopped reading at TOK. And I'd still like to know what it is. Maybe it's all the difference between bullshit and enlightenment.

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Theory Of Ketchup. I got it straight from the sauce.

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Totally oblivious knucklehead might be more along the lines of the overall message.

[Cyberman]

Dang - out-acronymmed. That's what I get for punning and mast researching my novel at the same time.

[Chili]

All he said is that you [consciously] know that you will die, and that already means that the TOK makes reference to the conscious mind in us.

What's a TOK when it's at home?

No such thing as 'a' TOK and Tree Of Knowledge is the conscious mind in which we think we are, as thinker, the rationalist would say. Upon this image the rationalist built what is known as British Analytic Philosophy in opposite to what they called Continental philosophy because it was different than theirs.

What they failed to realize is that continental philosophy was built on what we call Panpsychism today, and therefore is opposite but has nothing to do with the continent for sure.

We would just call her Mary for short, as local, I suppose.

[Tonus]

I do enjoy these reminders that the Bible is so open to interpretation that after 2,000 years and 40,000+ denominations, we can still find people whipping up a whole new mythos around it.

[Chili]

Sorry, but in the garden of Eden were two trees. One was the TOL = Tree of Life, and the other was TOK = Tree of Knowledge in which we would know what is good and what is bad. Once we eat from it's apple our Adam's apple will become the place where reason is induced into our stream of words, that so will be made conventional there.

Opposite this would be glossolalia when the stream of syllables freely flow over this dam, as Evgeny Zamjatin did say in WE. Of course none of that matters much here, but the fact remains that the TOK is the home of our intelligence, while wisdom is home in the TOL and that is where [our] Mary would be home that they called woman in Gen. 2, I think it was.

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I do enjoy these reminders that the Bible is so open to interpretation that after 2,000 years and 40,000+ denominations, we can still find people whipping up a whole new mythos around it.

It is like a recipe book and therefore not for Catholics to read on their own.

[Cyberman]

Interestingly, the 'forbidden' fruit was never mentioned as being an apple. That's just a (much) later interpretation.

[Chili]

Interestingly, the 'forbidden' fruit was never mentioned as being an apple. That's just a (much) later interpretation.

OK, but the "thou shall not eat from it lest you will [consciously] now" is the 'dam' that made the ego conscious known as Adam; and that is how Adam became known as the persona of man.

Don't forget here that man was created and formed as man, and Adam was an add-on in Gen.3 to never be formed and still is an illusion today.