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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 9:40 am
(January 22, 2015 at 3:51 am)Riketto Wrote: Quote:Also, it is your job to demonstate that consciousness is NOT a byproduct of the brain since you are making that claim.
It is well known that what the brain can do is LIMITED so how it is possible for something limited to create something UNLIMITED like the consciousness? 
Ahh but can you back up your claim that the brain does not give rise to consciousness without making yet another baseless claim? What is really well known is that people can disagree about what is well known. Worse, the most popular perception can just be wrong. But then again it is pretty obvious you enjoy doing it your way.
I wonder when you attained perfect shamelessness so that you could do in public this way?
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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 9:44 am
Oops I forgot to follow this thread for a few weeks. Can anyone summarize in a sentence what the status is, please? 
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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 10:18 am
Read any two-or-three-post exchange and you've read the whole thread.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 10:55 am
(January 22, 2015 at 3:51 am)Riketto Wrote: (January 21, 2015 at 11:47 am)Davka Wrote: Unsupported claim. You have yet to demonstrate that there is any such thing as "the consciousness." You certainly have not demonstrated that 'the consciousness" can do anything. Cling to your ignorance if it makes you more comfortable, but don't pretend there's any real-world foundation for your personal opinions.
I point the finger towards NDEs and towards the Hindus festival in which people do not feel pain as the consciousness take over but instead to look at these evidences you look at my finger and then say that nothing is there. Bullshit. It has been carefully explained to you that the so-called "evidence" you are pointing at is flawed. It has been carefully explained to you exactly why that evidence is flawed. But you refuse to look. Your opinion is clearly far to precious to you. It cannot be shifted by mere empirical factual evidence.
Quote:There is plenty of evidence that this universe can not possibly run by itself but you keep on dreaming that it can.
No, there is zero evidence of your claim. You are merely repeating yourself, and refusing to acknowledge anything anyone has told you so far.
You could read the following linked article, but I kinda doubt it would do you any good, because when our beliefs are threatened by facts, we turn to unfalsifiable justifications.
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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm
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(January 22, 2015 at 3:51 am)Riketto Wrote: (January 21, 2015 at 12:59 pm)rasetsu Wrote: This isn't acceptable evidence either.
It takes time rasu.
Sooner or later physical science will find out the non physical entities that form the smaller particles so far discovered.
That and $6 will get you a latte at Starbucks.
Microvita. What a joke.
But they'll be making that breakthrough "real soon now" ...
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RE: If
January 22, 2015 at 1:09 pm
(January 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm)rasetsu Wrote: But they'll be making that breakthrough "real soon now" ...
They'd better hurry-- professor is telling us that the cosmic shit will hit the universal fan sometime in September. Or maybe December. Maybe.
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RE: If
January 24, 2015 at 8:01 am
(January 22, 2015 at 9:40 am)whateverist Wrote: (January 22, 2015 at 3:51 am)Riketto Wrote: It is well known that what the brain can do is LIMITED so how it is possible for something limited to create something UNLIMITED like the consciousness?
Ahh but can you back up your claim that the brain does not give rise to consciousness without making yet another baseless claim? What is really well known is that people can disagree about what is well known. Worse, the most popular perception can just be wrong. But then again it is pretty obvious you enjoy doing it your way.
I wonder when you attained perfect shamelessness so that you could do in public this way?
Ex atheists after an NDE believe in God.
How come?
They never could come to this stage by using their brain so what the hell it was that turn their view all around?
It was their consciousness free for a while from the influences of their brain stuck in the corral of dogmas.
What else otherwise?
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RE: If
January 24, 2015 at 8:04 am
(January 24, 2015 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: Ex atheists after an NDE believe in God.
That's kind of obvious, isn't it? Ex-atheists after a hot dog believe in god, too. Ex-atheists after a shower believe in god. Ex-atheists after buying a pack of cigarettes believe in god. Why is that?
Could it be... because they are...
...EX-ATHEISTS???? 
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RE: If
January 24, 2015 at 8:15 am
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(January 22, 2015 at 10:55 am)Davka Wrote: Bullshit. It has been carefully explained to you that the so-called "evidence" you are pointing at is flawed. It has been carefully explained to you exactly why that evidence is flawed. But you refuse to look. Your opinion is clearly far to precious to you. It cannot be shifted by mere empirical factual evidence.
Garbage.
Since when anyone ever came up with evidence that counter my evidence?
Show me your evidence instead of coming up with claims. 
Quote:There is plenty of evidence that this universe can not possibly run by itself but you keep on dreaming that it can.
Quote:No, there is zero evidence of your claim. You are merely repeating yourself, and refusing to acknowledge anything anyone has told you so far. You could read the following linked article, but I kinda doubt it would do you any good, because when our beliefs are threatened by facts, we turn to unfalsifiable justifications.
Since when matter can run by itself?
Don't you use your little finger to type your bul.....?
Or maybe you think that the ideas that are expressed in this forum are self conceived by matter?
Gee, i have seen so many dreamers but you beat then all. 
(January 24, 2015 at 8:04 am)Tonus Wrote: (January 24, 2015 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: Ex atheists after an NDE believe in God.
That's kind of obvious, isn't it? Ex-atheists after a hot dog believe in god, too. Ex-atheists after a shower believe in god. Ex-atheists after buying a pack of cigarettes believe in god. Why is that?
Could it be... because they are.....EX-ATHEISTS????
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc...delike.htm
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RE: If
January 24, 2015 at 9:27 am
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