What if God Evolved

[Giff]

Religion+Sience=FALSE!

Dont mix those two things. They are eachothers oposites.

[Rob]

If god does exist and he is really an entity that has evolved else where in the universe then the mormons are right.
Fancy that, mormons being right.

[Eilonnwy]

God has evolved, but not in the way you think.

What we define as God has changed over time as our understanding has changed. First there was animism, Gods existed in trees, animals, the sun, basically anything natural was considered god because people didn't understand how things work.

That rudimentary religion eventually evolved into polytheism where various humanoid gods controlled the different aspects of human life and nature. You have gods of war, love, the sun, the ocean, etc... (Catholicism actually incorporates this aspect by having saints as demigods that you pray to for different things, it was originally a way of pre-empting paganism. Catholicism is a polytheistic religion masquerading as a monotheistic)

But eventually polytheism did morph into monotheism where you have the Abrahamic God emerging with myths from polytheistic religions. For example there is a type in some versions of the bible with the creation story in which god says he created man in our image. It was basically a mistranslation. Elohim is a word attributed to god, and guess what? It's plural.

God was believed to be the bastard the Old Testament portrays him as until only recently when Science has come in and demolished various things about the world that was once attributed to god. We know about Evolution, we know why it rains, we know what causes disease, etc... The meaning of god has been changed, dissolved, dissected, etc... Now God's definition has become very meaningless in todays world. God is described as "love", a "Higher power" something that is "Beyond us" as some cosmic first cause that can never be properly definied therefore it can't properly be completely disproven.

So yes, God has evolved because humans define what God is, we always have. Our definition of god has evolved, our imagination of god has evolved, our interpretations, etc... But it's evolved because of us, because our understanding of the world has changed and god has crawled into the dark corners of many people's logic where it's really hard to shine that light.

[Ace Otana]

God has evolved, but not in the way you think.

What we define as God has changed over time as our understanding has changed. First there was animism, Gods existed in trees, animals, the sun, basically anything natural was considered god because people didn't understand how things work.

That rudimentary religion eventually evolved into polytheism where various humanoid gods controlled the different aspects of human life and nature. You have gods of war, love, the sun, the ocean, etc... (Catholicism actually incorporates this aspect by having saints as demigods that you pray to for different things, it was originally a way of pre-empting paganism. Catholicism is a polytheistic religion masquerading as a monotheistic)

But eventually polytheism did morph into monotheism where you have the Abrahamic God emerging with myths from polytheistic religions. For example there is a type in some versions of the bible with the creation story in which god says he created man in our image. It was basically a mistranslation. Elohim is a word attributed to god, and guess what? It's plural.

God was believed to be the bastard the Old Testament portrays him as until only recently when Science has come in and demolished various things about the world that was once attributed to god. We know about Evolution, we know why it rains, we know what causes disease, etc... The meaning of god has been changed, dissolved, dissected, etc... Now God's definition has become very meaningless in todays world. God is described as "love", a "Higher power" something that is "Beyond us" as some cosmic first cause that can never be properly definied therefore it can't properly be completely disproven.

So yes, God has evolved because humans define what God is, we always have. Our definition of god has evolved, our imagination of god has evolved, our interpretations, etc... But it's evolved because of us, because our understanding of the world has changed and god has crawled into the dark corners of many people's logic where it's really hard to shine that light.

Very well said!

I think this covers that nicely - "God was once here, here and here. He walked, talked and flew. He could be seen admired and worshiped by the sight of him but as humans age and learn god seems to have lost the ability to walk, talk and even fly. Now it seems with the help of science god can no longer be seen and that he only really exists in our minds, a place where science cannot venture so easily. God seems to fear science...why? Maybe...just maybe we have made a terrible mistake. All those things we saw walk, talk and fly was all from our mind the whole time!? It's like shining a light on a shadowed wall and the shadow then disappears. Maybe, just maybe there was no god at all.

[LukeMC]

What if God evolved on a firey radioactive planet, or has evolved a higher state than our own by which he has mastered technologies capable of creating and destroying planets, and populating them at His own will.

Woah woah woah! Hold on a second. On a planet you say? A planet was there before God, the first cause of our universe? I don't see why anybody deconstructed your post beyond this point. If God evolved on a planet then God is just like us, and clearly the creation of the universe was not in his hands. Godfail.

[WWLD]

Brilliant

[FutureAndAHope]

What if God evolved on a firey radioactive planet, or has evolved a higher state than our own by which he has mastered technologies capable of creating and destroying planets, and populating them at His own will.

Woah woah woah! Hold on a second. On a planet you say? A planet was there before God, the first cause of our universe? I don't see why anybody deconstructed your post beyond this point. If God evolved on a planet then God is just like us, and clearly the creation of the universe was not in his hands. Godfail.

God does not need to be the first cause of the universe to be God to us. If he made us he is God to us. But we need to be cautious in our understanding of God, he is far beyond all we can know or think. The bible does not say how God came to exist so we are free to assume anything and not be at fault. I don't believe that WE EVOLVED as there is no fossil evidence to support animal or human evolution, especially none for animals. If you don't believe me name all the transitional forms you know for animals. I believe God made us and animals, plants etc. I don't care if God evolved or has always existed. I do know God exists due to personal experiences with Him.

[Demonaura]

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one with the crazy suggestion, we are simply saying we do not agree with you.

you want to see the fossil reconds? Go look! you don't need me to hold your hand and walk you through life.

I know religious leaders always keep control and try to hold your hand but, stand up on your own legs for once and take off the blinders. Go speak to a real paleantologist and get the facts, look at the evidence without the assumption that he is just the devil and your god answer is automatically right. Because it's not.


theres no point in talking about a god evolving really because theres no reason to beleive theres a god in the first place. Even if you had a foolproof story about how god could have evolved it's still a just a story and anyone who takes it as fact is a fool who did not look at the world objectively.

[lukec]

God does not need to be the first cause of the universe to be God to us. If he made us he is God to us. But we need to be cautious in our understanding of God, he is far beyond all we can know or think. The bible does not say how God came to exist so we are free to assume anything and not be at fault. I don't believe that WE EVOLVED as there is no fossil evidence to support animal or human evolution, especially none for animals. If you don't believe me name all the transitional forms you know for animals. I believe God made us and animals, plants etc. I don't care if God evolved or has always existed. I do know God exists due to personal experiences with Him.

There is no fossil evidence TO YOU because you HAVEN'T LOOKED. You instead have simply surfed the creationist websites and found some things that agree with what you believe, so you feel qualified for some reason to refute all the substantial fossil evidence which in fact has been found for biological evolution. A simple google search shows even Wikipedia has a tentative list. But you need only to open your eyes- much of the fossil evidence for evolution was found before Darwin was even known, and at that it was documented by religious scientists. Evolution is not a debatable issue- it clearly happened, or we wouldn't have fossils of animals which no longer exist. If you refuse to accept this point, in the face of overwhelming evidence, then what is the point of even debating? Here are some lists of transitional fossils, although perhaps you'd like to think they were all occupying the earth at the same time, until the Flood killed everything but what we see now.


Wikipedia's here

Another

From TalkOrigins


I'm so tired of people who haven't taken the briefest time to look into evolution trying to tell me all about it.

[Darwinian]

I don't believe that WE EVOLVED as there is no fossil evidence to support animal or human evolution, especially none for animals.

Wow! Is this really true?

Someone ought to tell all those scientists, evolutionary biologists, paleontologists and zoologists who have spent their lives studying, researching, verifying and proving that evolution is a FACT!

If only they had spoken to you they could have spent their lives doing something more constructive like, say, foaming at the mouth and telling everyone they will burn in hell.