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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:17 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:13 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: This part always seems to both give them trouble and yet elude them as though it's no trouble at all. If only we could make a breakthrough on the importance of this key step in epistemology, I think we'd have a lot more constructive exchanges around here!
It's usually at this point they start talking about books instead of gods. It's almost as though that's all they have.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:17 am
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(February 21, 2015 at 11:17 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 11:13 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: This part always seems to both give them trouble and yet elude them as though it's no trouble at all. If only we could make a breakthrough on the importance of this key step in epistemology, I think we'd have a lot more constructive exchanges around here!
It's usually at this point they start talking about books instead of gods. It's almost as though that's all they have.
I think you're being generous by couching that statement with "Almost".
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:23 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: Many would say the manufacturer is at fault but the manufacturer has payed the price for the fault and its up to us to accept. No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
What exactly The manufacturer gave up when he sacrificed himself to himself, and raised himself from the dead to return to Heaven, is questionable. Given that S.I.N. is an abstract concenpt that just means things the manufacturer doesn't like, it's hard to say there's a burden to be put on anyone.
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:29 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: Many would say the manufacturer is at fault but the manufacturer has payed the price for the fault and its up to us to accept. No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
Just to revisit this for a moment:
Your first sentence is ambiguous, in that it's suggesting I "accept" one of two separate things; ie, a god suffered and died or that an unquantified "many" believe it. This is not a trivial distinction - I can accept the latter, as the evidence is overwhelming, but the former needs to be demonstrated before anyone is required to accept it.
The second sentence is erroneous proselytising and need not be addressed further.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:31 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:17 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I think you're being generous by couching that statement with "Almost".
Satire's a subtle bitch, isn't it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 11:49 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: Many would say the manufacturer is at fault but the manufacturer has payed the price for the fault and its up to us to accept. No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
Hmmmm.
How can a perfect being have faults?
How can a perfect being suffer?
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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(February 21, 2015 at 11:02 am)Norman Humann Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
In what way exactly has god suffered?
You know, in the way that a toddler suffers when he throws a fit because he can't tie his own shoes.. god's abilities are ever decreasing. He couldn't get his creation right in the first days and had to resort to destroying them instead of just fixing the problem. Some Carpenter! He has to burn all his works that fail, and thats the great majority! He is senile and weakening. He's past the vegetable stage now, he can't even move or speak in the way they claim he once did. I think the christians ought to send him a get well card.
(February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: Many would say the manufacturer is at fault but the manufacturer has payed the price for the fault and its up to us to accept. No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
The manufacturer is solely responsible for manufacturing and design defects, who else could be? The products themselves?
When a father berates and physically punishes a baby for pooping on itself, something it cant help but do because of it's design, we consider that a horror and most evil and stupid. But when god does it we think it's ok?
(February 21, 2015 at 10:26 am)ether-ore Wrote: Sorry folks... I was just informed by a moderator that I am not yet qualified to post links. I understand the reason is that I've not been a member long enough. In any case to answer the above questions, you can go to a web site called "FairMormon" to find the answers concerning the Book of Abraham.
As for the issue of DNA, I guess that will have to wait until I've been a member long enough.
No you don't have to wait. The rule is to force people into discussions instead of copy-pasta wars. Tell us in your words what the main ideas of your apologia is. If you can't explain the main idea in a single sentence, then you don't really know yourself and are simply having faith that the link says what you want it to.
Tell us the main gist of why you think that smith's public wild translation of the Egyptian funeral papyri is not a big fanciful lie.
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 12:52 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)Wiggy Wrote: Many would say the manufacturer is at fault but the manufacturer has payed the price for the fault and its up to us to accept. No one has suffered more than God as a result of sin.
Hmm. So you're saying that there is fault, then? Isn't your God infallible? The "fault" here is that the original design was flawed, and needs to be recalled.
Or, more likely, did you just half read and type something that you thought sounded deep?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 12:54 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 10:45 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I can't think of a single reason to research Mormon claims. I find all religions to be quite far fetched but it requires an extra level of gullibility to swallow the Mormon dribble. Criticizing the Mormon doctrine feels like playing dodge-ball at a Fat Camp. I'm reminded of a funny quote by Sam Harris regarding how easy it is to criticize the Catholic Church over their child rape scandal. I must say, the same is true for Mormonism, it's just too stupid to entertain...
"Frankly, it always felt unsportsmanlike to shoot so large and languorous a fish in so tiny a barrel."
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RE: Christian recall notice
February 21, 2015 at 12:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 21, 2015 at 1:00 pm by SteelCurtain.)
(February 21, 2015 at 12:54 pm)ether-ore Wrote: ok
While you cannot link things yet, you can absolutely quote things. If there is something you'd like us to see or read, you could use the quote BBcode.
Code: [quote=source]Quote from source[/quote]
Looks like this:
source Wrote:Quote from source
ETA: Just make sure you give us the name of the person who wrote it, and that person's credentials relating to their expertise in that field.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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