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If God was Schrodinger's Cat
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 8:48 pm)daver49 Wrote: If God was Schroedinger's cat, would God be alive or dead?
Cannot work. If the god were dead, then it is not a god.
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
I think everybody has taken this question far too seriously. I don't think Dave gives 2 shits about whether or not this question says anything about God. I think he's just having a go... Wink
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 10:51 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: I think it would be something like this:
[Image: caeab2a1346cdc52d237b39bf619a89a.jpg]

It's Deuteronomy 30:15 in a new suit!
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
Using this famous experiment and trying to prove a god does exist will not prove it. Observer history here, all can be proven through lenses of science and logic. The bible is a history book at it's best, not a solid way of life! Deep down the savage nature of man does not allow for us to be godly people. But, without the early frame works of religion. Human society needed this tool to progress into a somewhat civilized society. Instead take the god part out of it, and try this mind experiment. Survival of the fittest and the survival of the weak, if the weak did not invent religion to protect them selves from the strong. Would we be as advanced as we are today? Or if the strong were allowed to stay in power, would we still be just hunting, gathering, and breeding like the savages do in the undeveloped part of the world?
     “A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima


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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 11:01 pm)daver49 Wrote:
(March 21, 2015 at 10:51 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: I think it would be something like this:
[Image: caeab2a1346cdc52d237b39bf619a89a.jpg]

It's Deuteronomy 30:15 in a new suit!



Here's Leviticus with a new cover and a few other twists:


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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 10:06 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:
(March 21, 2015 at 9:32 pm)daver49 Wrote: The name "Schrodinger's cat" was referring to the name of the thought experiment he devised in 1935, not the cat itself. But I can go with how you understood it. Using your understanding, he can be the dude's cat (Schrodinger's) and he can be the cat at the same time (the cat's name being God). In one case we can understand what is being said by the statement as expressing possession of an object, and on the other hand it can be understood as expressing the object in the box. Other more philosophically minded people can tweak it here...(without applying fire and brimstone please). Is there a quantum physicist out there? He/she could ride shotgun with the philosopher (so as to shoot him/her if the explanation is wrong).

--don't take this game to seriously...it is just for fun.

I'm well aware of Schroedinger's cat. I simply using the opportunity to make a point by fucking with you.

You say you are aware of Schroedinger's cat...so God is alive???
Everybody sing..."Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound...."

(March 21, 2015 at 11:10 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Here's Leviticus with a new cover and a few other twists:

[Image: Erstausgabe_von_Mein_Kampf.jpg]

Who is Adolf Sitler? Does it come in soft-cover? Those hard cover books are expensive.

(March 21, 2015 at 10:57 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(March 21, 2015 at 8:48 pm)daver49 Wrote: If God was Schroedinger's cat, would God be alive or dead?
Cannot work. If the god were dead, then it is not a god.

But it's a cat. So are you saying it is alive?

(March 21, 2015 at 11:00 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I think everybody has taken this question far too seriously. I don't think Dave gives 2 shits about whether or not this question says anything about God. I think he's just having a go... Wink

Do I hear three? That man in the corner....?
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 10:01 pm)daver49 Wrote:
(March 21, 2015 at 9:50 pm)Drich Wrote: ROFLOL

Oh the irony, you want us to "think outside the box," by putting
God in your box, And look at him through only the lenses of your specific paradox..

I'm glad you stayed in the box. What else do you see in there? Is it dark and scary? Stay away from the vial of poison.

Isn't 'the box' a metaphor for conventional thought and or rules? Your thought project simply trades the 'religious box' for a box of your own choosing. How then if you are having us trade one box for another is this 'out of box' thinking?
Thinking

Box
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Sterben Wrote: Observer history here, all can be proven through lenses of science and logic.

Just what the doctor ordered! Now my only problem is finding out if your lenses fit my prescription. I am near-sighted with a slight stigmatism in my left eye. I prefer transitional lenses with a progressive bi-focal.

Doctor, my eyes
Tell me what is wrong
Was I unwise to leave them open for so long?
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The thing is regardless of whether Schrodinger's cat is alive or dead, the universe is pretty much the same. The only point being that without opening the box, there is no certainty about the cat's death or survival because unlike Newtonian physics quantum mechanics deals in probability. If whether god existed or not, or is alive or not matters about as much as the cat, then god is as irrelevant as the existence of a single cat. In which case god is of no interest, the only thing of interest would be that we couldn't know for certain if god existed. Also, there is no box to open to determine the existence of god. Finally, Schrodinger at least knew the probability of the cat being alive or dead, but we have no way of calculating the probability of god. So, I'm confused.
What does Schrodinger's thought experiment (mercifully no real cat was ever involved) have to do with god?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: If God was Schrodinger's Cat
(March 21, 2015 at 8:48 pm)daver49 Wrote: Well,this might take a bit of learning and exploring for some of you, but being that we are often discussing the existence of God and science and logic and thought, etc., I thought I might pose this question: If God was Schroedinger's cat, would God be alive or dead? My apologies to any cat loving atheists in the forum...

For all of you...it should not require any thinking outside the box....

So God-in-a-box should be able to miracle himself out of trouble either by affecting the decay of the sample radioisotope or by clouding the view of the sensor.
However God-the-cat, being all cat yet all God, would probably choose to die as a sacrifice to all mousekind (at least the circumcised ones.) Frankie and Benjy.
We're getting into deep philosophical and theological territory here in which the competing claims of God (the cat) and the super-intelligent, pan-dimensional mice to authority over dimensions removed from time and the effect of radioactive decay. I'm coming down on the side of the mice as they are specifically pan-dimensional and God only claims to be outside of time (that's just one dimension away.)

I think with a little more work, we can get a whole sect out of this.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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