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(May 28, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A few years ago I was helping a friend do research for a college project she was working on. She had to compare Italy and Argentina and I found something called the CIA World Factbook. One of the things in it was a review of religion in Argentina. It said that 92% of the country was catholic but noted that less than 20% were practicing.
IT seems the church is losing its hold everywhere.
LOL! Yeah.... its not the church numbers you need to worry about. No matter how intrusive religion gets, or doesn't get.... the overwhelming majority still believe in a higher source! And always will. As much as it pains you; the axe swings both ways on a "lack of evidence" you know!
As far as an "outreach" for atheism? You have the secular media rooting for you 24/7 in HFD living color, stereo! What more could you possibly want?
I know that shitheads like you will always be around.....groveling fucks who think they are not worthy...and in your case it is true you pervert excusing cocksucker.
But the political power of the church is ebbing which will leave morons like you with nothing to do.
May 29, 2015 at 3:58 pm (This post was last modified: May 29, 2015 at 4:11 pm by Nope.)
(May 29, 2015 at 12:30 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(May 28, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A few years ago I was helping a friend do research for a college project she was working on. She had to compare Italy and Argentina and I found something called the CIA World Factbook. One of the things in it was a review of religion in Argentina. It said that 92% of the country was catholic but noted that less than 20% were practicing.
IT seems the church is losing its hold everywhere.
LOL! Yeah.... its not the church numbers you need to worry about. No matter how intrusive religion gets, or doesn't get.... the overwhelming majority still believe in a higher source! And always will. As much as it pains you; the axe swings both ways on a "lack of evidence" you know!
As far as an "outreach" for atheism? You have the secular media rooting for you 24/7 in HFD living color, stereo! What more could you possibly want?
What do you mean by this? The media often likes to push the 'Just believe' mentality which is the opposite of atheism. Movies and other forms of visual entertainment are profit driven. If something doesn't appeal to the paying public, it won't get made. There isn't a conspiracy against religious people.
(May 28, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A few years ago I was helping a friend do research for a college project she was working on. She had to compare Italy and Argentina and I found something called the CIA World Factbook. One of the things in it was a review of religion in Argentina. It said that 92% of the country was catholic but noted that less than 20% were practicing.
IT seems the church is losing its hold everywhere.
LOL! Yeah.... its not the church numbers you need to worry about. No matter how intrusive religion gets, or doesn't get.... the overwhelming majority still believe in a higher source! And always will. As much as it pains you; the axe swings both ways on a "lack of evidence" you know!
As far as an "outreach" for atheism? You have the secular media rooting for you 24/7 in HFD living color, stereo! What more could you possibly want?
Okay. Name all of the shows on TV then with this antireligious bias you claim. I can only give you 2 but neither are airing ATM. One is House, and the other was star trek
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
(May 29, 2015 at 11:25 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: You get off on being willfully obtuse, don't you, Buggy?
None of those programs are intending on spreading atheism. As I have said, outreach isn't providing congregation or events for other atheists. Outreach is a church mission to go out and convert more Christians. Which was the entire point of my statement.
No, those are missionaries..... "church mission" should have been the hint. You like to keep digging don't you?
(May 29, 2015 at 11:25 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Quit wasting time trying to define everyone else's position. I have laid out clearly what I mean. If you continue to parse my words for something I clearly didn't mean, you are choosing to do so knowing you are a dishonest moron, as every single person here knows you are when you spend 3 pages trying to define the position of the person you are discussing with even after they correct you 10 times.
The point is, the word "outreach" doesn't have any religious connotations, Go ahead, type "outreach program" in google and see how many "religious" ones pop up.
A few examples. FOSS Outreach Program
Quote:Outreachy is the successor of the Outreach Program for Women. Please see its page for the information about the May 2015 round of interships. Outreach Program for Women has been helping women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people get involved in free and open source software
Quote:The Street Outreach Program enables organizations around the country to help young people get off the streets. To that end, the program promotes efforts by its grantees to build relationships between street outreach workers and runaway, homeless and street youth. Grantees also provide support services that aim to move youth into stable housing and prepare them for independence.
Quote:The Early Academic Outreach Program (EAOP) is an academic preparation program established in 1976 by the University of California to expand postsecondary education opportunities for California's educationally disadvantaged students.
Do those sound religious to you? What message are they trying to convert people to? Is it still your position that "outreach" means "religious organization"?
All you had to do was was admit you messed up and we could of moved on, but I'M the "dishonest moron", right?
Yes. Yes you are. Nowhere did I state that all outreach programs are religious. Yet again, right after I asked you to stop defining my position for me, you literally couldn't even wait one post before you did it again.
As usual, you dishonest piece of shit, I'm done with you. Not sure why I let myself go down this road with you time after time. You have nothing to offer except parsing a portion of someone's post and driving down a black hole of stupidity, zeroing in on one definition of a word that has multiple and refusing to acknowledge the others.
If I could put you on ignore, I would.
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May 30, 2015 at 12:19 am (This post was last modified: May 30, 2015 at 12:54 am by dahrling.)
(May 28, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Glenn Wrote: Howdy. So I live in Belo Horizonte, Brazil currently. One of the most astonishing things I have seen is just how deeply intertwined culture and religion is here. When you ask "how are you", or "tudo bem?", it is not uncommon to get a reply with an added "gracas a deus" or thanks to God. When someone is leaving you will very commonly hear "vai com deus" or go with God. The things that I have seen on TELEVISION about the sermons are jaw dropping. (I will try to find some good stuff on YouTube for you"
My question is do you know of any effort being made to spread awareness down here? Specifically in Brazil but anywhere in Latin America? Has anyone else had any experiences that were eye opening or alarming?
I also live in Brazil, and I can say without a doubt the trend here is for people to become more and more religious. The evangelists are taking over the country, they have penetrated our congress and our senate, effectively blocking any chance we had at passing laws that go against their bigoted religious views. Our country was supposed to be founded on progress and order (that is our motto), but unfortunately the opposite is happening here.
I have seen some frightening things, people who have made terrible choices based on emotion and impulsivity, giving away all their money and possessions to these new evangelical churches. I know so many people who are debtrihdden because they thought they'd receive double what they had given. If you pass by some of these churches at night you will witness some of the congregation members holding credit card machines, standing outside and waiting to make their move. They are part of criminal organizations and should be treated as such.
I am one of the only 3 atheists I know here, there are few agnostics, and many followers of Spiritism, which is another religion that is constantly gaining new followers (including some of my family members).
I wish I could say I had a positive outlook on the future but unfortunately I know I need to get out of here before I lose my mind. It is impossible to have a decent conversation with someone here because they always (and I mean always) bring up god. And I will not pretend I believe there is some deity looking down on me and judging my decisions, telling me I'm in need of his salvation. I don't need god to give me strength, I don't need god to guide me, I don't need to god heal me. I need people to see the world for what it really is, to be rational and analytical, but most of all to stop making excuses for themselves when they make mistakes and knowingly hurt others, they need to take the responsibility for their own actions and bear the consequences that come with their decisions.
May 30, 2015 at 10:44 am (This post was last modified: May 30, 2015 at 10:45 am by Huggy Bear.)
(May 30, 2015 at 12:02 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Yes. Yes you are. Nowhere did I state that all outreach programs are religious. Yet again, right after I asked you to stop defining my position for me, you literally couldn't even wait one post before you did it again.
We're arguing semantics now? You clearly defined what you thought outreach meant.
(May 29, 2015 at 11:25 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: None of those programs are intending on spreading atheism. As I have said, outreach isn't providing congregation or events for other atheists. Outreach is a church mission to go out and convert more Christians. Which was the entire point of my statement.
(emphasis mine)
I don't know how that statement doesn't imply that all outreach programs are religious, especially since YOU'RE the only one that equated outreach to religion. Now all of the sudden you're backpedaling.... http://atheistforums.org/thread-33629-po...#pid952643
(May 27, 2015 at 10:41 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Ha ha! Man did those goalposts move pretty quick!
Went from why to where in a flash.
Hypocrite
Went from "Outreach is a church mission" to "not all outreach programs are religious" pretty quick also.
(May 30, 2015 at 12:02 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: As usual, you dishonest piece of shit, I'm done with you. Not sure why I let myself go down this road with you time after time. You have nothing to offer except parsing a portion of someone's post and driving down a black hole of stupidity, zeroing in on one definition of a word that has multiple and refusing to acknowledge the others.
If I could put you on ignore, I would.
My bad, I didn't realize that you don't have enough self control to simply not respond to my posts...
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