What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Becca, I don't understand. What about this?

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So God was wrong for killing his son to save you from your sins?

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God didn't kill Jesus. Other people did.

Doesn't the fairy tale claim that God sent Jesus to to die for your sins?  If that's true then God killed Jesus.  But maybe Jesus ran away from heaven to play with the human trash and he fell in with some bad folks.  Too bad he left his godly powers in his heavenly closet.  He should have packed some lightning bolts in his robe for emergencies.

[The Grand Nudger]

Catholic Lady, you need to look up moral relativity before we can go any further. You clearly don't understand what it is, as shown by deploying semantics in defense of your conception of objective morality.


Yes, because taxes backed by the threat of jail are perfectly comparable to church donations.

Forgive me while I chuckle at your limp argumentation.

Heh...if you REALLY believed that your taxes were being used immorally, you'd protest by going to jail. Then Al Sharpton or the ACLU or somebody would show up to defend you, and Fox News would talk about you for at least a day or two.

Shitwitted raft, Randy.......shitwitted raft.

[Catholic_Lady]

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Becca, I don't understand. What about this?

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God didn't kill Jesus. Other people did.

Doesn't the fairy tale claim that God sent Jesus to to die for your sins?  If that's true then God killed Jesus.  But maybe Jesus ran away from heaven to play with the human trash and he fell in with some bad folks.  Too bad he left his godly powers in his heavenly closet.  He should have packed some lightning bolts in his robe for emergencies.

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

[Randy Carson]

Doesn't the fairy tale claim that God sent Jesus to to die for your sins?  If that's true then God killed Jesus.  But maybe Jesus ran away from heaven to play with the human trash and he fell in with some bad folks.  Too bad he left his godly powers in his heavenly closet.  He should have packed some lightning bolts in his robe for emergencies.

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

Can't let that slide, CL. Sorry. God doesn't have parts. He is simple...not complex. No parts.

[Mr.wizard]

Doesn't the fairy tale claim that God sent Jesus to to die for your sins?  If that's true then God killed Jesus.  But maybe Jesus ran away from heaven to play with the human trash and he fell in with some bad folks.  Too bad he left his godly powers in his heavenly closet.  He should have packed some lightning bolts in his robe for emergencies.

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

Are you saying god didn't know what was going to happen to jesus?

[KevinM1]

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

Can't let that slide, CL. Sorry. God doesn't have parts. He is simple...not complex. No parts.

Note how the Christians can't even agree on their own story.

[Catholic_Lady]

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

Can't let that slide, CL. Sorry. God doesn't have parts. He is simple...not complex. No parts.

Very true. I was referring to the trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit... with the Son (Jesus) having been the one who came. Not "part", but the Son from the trinity, all which is God.

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Can't let that slide, CL. Sorry. God doesn't have parts. He is simple...not complex. No parts.

Note how the Christians can't even agree on their own story.

No, he is correct. I just did a poor job of referring to the trinity.

[Randy Carson]

Can't let that slide, CL. Sorry. God doesn't have parts. He is simple...not complex. No parts.

Note how the Christians can't even agree on their own story.

Not so fast, bucko.

By PM, CL has explained that she was trying to explain a complex topic in simple terms since many here would be unfamiliar with some of the nuances of the Trinity.

Come to think of it, I'm unfamiliar with MOST of the nuances of the Trinity...

[Catholic_Lady]

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

Are you saying god didn't know what was going to happen to jesus?

God and Jesus are one and the same. You are referring to them as individual entities separate from each other.

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Note how the Christians can't even agree on their own story.

Not so fast, bucko.

By PM, CL has explained that she was trying to explain a complex topic in simple terms since many here would be unfamiliar with some of the nuances of the Trinity.

Come to think of it, I'm unfamiliar with MOST of the nuances of the Trinity...

The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit... all which make up God.

The Son is Jesus, who came 2000 years ago.

That's as far as a human can understand it I think, but you know that part already.

[KevinM1]

Note how the Christians can't even agree on their own story.

No, he is correct. I just did a poor job of referring to the trinity.

Fair enough. However, other Christians on here have given varying accounts of the trinity (Drich, for example, believes the word 'god' is a title, and that Jesus was, indeed, a completely separate entity from the father god entity), so my larger point still remains.

These kinds of fundamental differences on the basics of your religion is why there are over 40,000 sects of Christianity alone, and one of the reasons why we scoff at the idea that any particular flavor is actually the right one. That there is so much difference in opinion on how the trinity works, how god judges (good works more important than belief and obedience?), the nature of hell, etc. really only highlights how vague the source material actually is.