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What IS good, and how do we determine it?
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 21, 2015 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 11:44 am by Randy Carson.)
(June 21, 2015 at 3:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Before I wrap it up here, I also want to once again point out that the most important thing to remember are a couple of Jesus' greatest commandments: Love your neighbor as yourself, and love your enemy. Does it really make sense that a person who tells us to love everyone like ourselves, including our worst enemies, would condone treating people like property? Excellent point, CL. They cannot see the forest for the trees. I, too, went to the site rob linked to, and I read a good portion of it. I had the same reaction you had...both that site and rob have missed the point completely. No surprise there. This forum is populated largely by folks who either got little to no Christian education when they were growing up (like rob, for example) or have spent years in churches with really incomplete (and erroneous) theology. Notice the following taken from evilbible.com: Quote:The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. rob seems to have missed the part where slavery was limited to six years. Not exactly the kind of slavery we had in this country, was it? And the primary purpose of such slavery was to pay off debt. IOW, it was a means by which those who were poor could SURVIVE. evilbible goes on to make much of the fact that the male slave might become a slave for life, but this was AT HIS OWN CHOOSING. Again, not what the movie "Twelve Years a Slave" portrayed of slavery in the US, is it? If the Catholic Church's position on slavery past and present are of REAL interest to rob, he can Google till his heart is content. The truth is out there. CL, do you see how this Whack-a-Mole game is played? First, the gang took issue with pedophile priests. Then, after I offered some agreement but also defense of the more hypocritical outrage, the Magdalen Laundries became the topic du jour. I countered that. Next, we're here dealing with slavery and the "God is an immoral monster" theme. Tomorrow.... Well, you get the idea. That's job security for us apologists, I guess. So much ignorance, so little time. (June 21, 2015 at 11:32 am)Rhythm Wrote: @Nope Allegory for the win! It is truly allegory all the way down. RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 21, 2015 at 11:40 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 11:44 am by SteelCurtain.)
(June 21, 2015 at 11:21 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Mike- I am interested in what Catholics think. I am not interested in what the Catholic Church thinks you should think. The disdain comes from the idea that it is so difficult for you to form your own ideas as part of a conversation. Being in the moment and present within a discussion seems to be very difficult for you. Hence your prepared Word documents and your incredulity and sheer inability to cope when someone doesn't follow your expectations. (Hence the AIDS example, which you conveniently dropped) And so, instead of succinctly telling us in your own words what you believe, you copypasta half of the catechism. It's why C_L has fit in so well here, and has a 100+ page thread yet I haven't had to send her a single PM despite your blustering buffoonery your first couple of weeks here that we just want to hate on all Catholics and don't want to hear any other point of view. Your persecution complex fits the narrative that your life must needs follow, else your cookie cutter world which the Catholic Church has laid out for you (Catechismicly!) doesn't look right. The way I phrased it was more tongue in cheek than anything, but you do take it to a new level, Randy.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (June 21, 2015 at 11:11 am)Huggy74 Wrote: So it's still your position that since I quoted you in my post, that I was referring directly to you, even after making it very clear I was speaking generally and not about you personally? Lets just say we prefer to interpret what fundamentalists say literally. (June 21, 2015 at 10:23 am)abaris Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 10:14 am)Rhythm Wrote: It is -sickness-, and that's the problem, not that it's "sinful". Yes. Christianity is layer upon layer of stupid. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
Randy,
Nobody missed the point that slavery was limited to six years ( as if that makes it ok). Yes the slave could leave after 6 years unless the slave owner gave him a wife which they always would do, If he chose to leave he would leave his wife and family behind who would remain slaves. If he chose to stay with his family he would remain a slave for life as well as his children and their children and so on and so on. What slave owner did was make a slave chose between his family and his freedom, which is incredibly sick. If you are going to defend this disgusting mistreatment of human beings then let me be the first to say, Fuck You! (June 21, 2015 at 11:21 am)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm interested in what atheists think, and I would have no problem with you posting passages from Hitchens or Harris or Dawkins as you think appropriate. As I said to Nestor in the Gary Habermas Q & A thread, I would LOVE to go hear a good debate between Ehrman and a skilled Christian representative. Still the same mistake of lumping all atheists together. Personally I don't give a shit about what Hitchens, Harris or Dawkins think. They're not my role models. What matters are my own thoughts. RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 21, 2015 at 11:56 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 11:58 am by Randy Carson.)
(June 21, 2015 at 11:40 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 11:21 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Mike- You imply a dichotomy where none exists. I agree with all teachings of the Catholic Church. Quote:The disdain comes from the idea that it is so difficult for you to form your own ideas as part of a conversation. Being in the moment and present within a discussion seems to be very difficult for you. Hence your prepared Word documents and your incredulity and sheer inability to cope when someone doesn't follow your expectations. (Hence the AIDS example, which you conveniently dropped) And so, instead of succinctly telling us in your own words what you believe, you copypasta half of the catechism. Rubbish. The fact that I have some of MY thoughts put down in Word is because I have been doing this a very, very long time. Why reinvent the wheel? Case in point...Spacetime joined the forum a few days ago. Same arguments, different day. How foolish is it to type my fingers off telling him in different words what I have already told you and others. Now, let's be honest: you anti-christers (hey, that has a ring to it) do something similar...instead of even bothering to post AT ALL (which is what I do), you simply say, "Look, asshole, this has all been discussed before. Do a search in the forum and stop wasting everyone's time." Wow. THAT makes for great discussion, doesn't it? But I'm given that kind of response frequently...especially when I was newer here. Quote:It's why C_L has fit in so well here, and has a 100+ page thread yet I haven't had to send her a single PM despite your blustering buffoonery your first couple of weeks here that we just want to hate on all Catholics and don't want to hear any other point of view. rexbeccarox has. Twice. And let's not kid one another: CL's avatar has got more than a few of the guys here dialing the aggression in their responses to her way, way down. Quote:Your persecution complex fits the narrative that your life must needs follow, else your cookie cutter world which the Catholic Church has laid out for you (Catechismicly!) doesn't look right. If it is your opinion that I'm following the teaching of the Catholic Church at a whole new level, then I am honored. I would disagree, but thank you. (June 21, 2015 at 11:25 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Fuck, Huggy, you've got your head so far up your own ass...Except I've made it clear multiple times that I wasn't speaking of him personally, yet I'm being disingenuous. If I had referenced him personally then I would indeed own him an apology. I like how he can submit a profanity laced post full of insults yet I'm the one perceived as childish |
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