What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Whateverist]

Re: the OP- I usually just pray on it but all the voices shouting to kill them all drown out God's answer every time.

[Mr.wizard]

DO ATHEISTS CONDONE RAPE?

"If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion."

Atheist Sam Harris, Interview at The Sun: The Temple of Reason

Wow Randy, this what your argument has been reduced to? No wonder you wanted the mods to lock this thread, lol.

[LastPoet]

Wow, I swear there was a comendment about bearing false withness. They can't even keep up with their fantasy tales.

[pocaracas]

Wow, I swear there was a comendment about bearing false withness. They can't even keep up with their fantasy tales.

Yep, I remember when their president commended them. They got stone medals.

[rexbeccarox]

Wow, I swear there was a comendment about bearing false withness. They can't even keep up with their fantasy tales.

Yep, I remember when their president commended them. They got stone medals.

Hey... you! Yeah, you Portuguese guys: are you meaning "commend" or "command"?

[Ravenshire]

You defended his point over and over acting as if it made all the sense in the world. My point is really quite simple. If gawd didn't condone rape, he should have set up the rules before their morality got so poor. Your gawd is all knowing, yeah?

I defended his point simply to show he neither condones rape, nor thinks God condones rape. That seemed very clear to me, but people were still accusing him of it for some reason, so I figured I'd clarify. It's not my argument, it's not what I think happened, so I have no answer for your question. Ask Randy.

Yes, it's very convenient for you that you take the whole of the old testament as allegorical. Too much misogyny and absolutely disgusting morality for any of it to be literal. Too bad the new testament isn't really any better.

[Ravenshire]

From what I understood, he (randy) still belives those things are wrong and that God does not condone them. But believes God had to integrate Himself slowly, otherwise it wouldn't have made a difference.

Still defending Randy I see.

Disgusting.

[Ravenshire]

This has gone on long enough.

When you make something, say a fine painting do you allow other people to tell you what it is supposed to represent? Or do you name it and tell them what motivated you to create it?

This world is the creation of another, higher being. It does not matter what you think about it, these are the rules that have been laid out and can rest happily in the knowledge that the creator who is all good sees the full picture and formation we do not.

You do not get to question him, what he has decided goes. If you don't like it then well, tough.

How 'bout you either prove these unsupported assertions or shove 'em straight up your ass?

Evidence or shut the fuck up!

[abaris]

Yes, it's very convenient for you that you take the whole of the old testament as allegorical. Too much misogyny and absolutely disgusting morality for any of it to be literal.

Even if it's taken allegorical, I fail to see how it can be taken as any kind of moral compass. At least in a civilized society. Rape, genocide, infanticide, slavery, natural disaster provided by yours truly... The list goes on and what's to like about that?

Suffice to say that the Alex character in A Clockwork Orange liked the bible very much. Anthony Burgess obviously knew what would appeal to his protagonist.

[LastPoet]

Yep, I remember when their president commended them. They got stone medals.

Hey... you!  Yeah, you Portuguese guys: are you meaning "commend" or "command"?

Lying for jesus seems something commended, given how some of them act.

Also, I meant commandement, poca, you grammar nazi, you

The point is lost Becca. It's the heat around here.