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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 1, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(July 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ugh, German philosphy.
Exactly. I brought that up so you would see that my comments about Germanic composers was not some crazy adoration of all things Germanic. I would say that you people should stick to music, but I don't think anyone is writing anything very good these days. Maybe you should stick to making cars and beer and wine and schnapps. You know, important things in life.
(July 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Alex K Wrote: I have an Anglosaxon heart in many respects. Nietzsche is at least entertaining, but then I'd rather call him a commentator than a formal philosopher. He is the master of the righteous rant. Sometimes you remind me of him.
My initial thought is to be insulted by that. But a master of something is likely better than nothing.
(July 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Alex K Wrote: And no, as you know, I don't think anyone is better than JSB 
And that is why you have salvation at hand. No one is better than JSB. That is a fact, not a matter of opinion. Isn't that one of the things proven by the LHC?
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 1, 2015 at 7:40 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2015 at 7:42 pm by Rev. Rye.)
For what it's worth, I'm starting up yet another Starter Collection of MP3s for one of the big three: Beethoven.
And here's another classical work I got fascinated by recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTR3oCCek74
Also, with regards to German philosophy, I've read quite a few I liked, most especially Schopenhauer (if you ignore his misogyny), and Kant (if you ignore the fact that David Hume did his work earlier and much more interestingly.)
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 2, 2015 at 10:48 pm
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(July 1, 2015 at 3:00 am)Alex K Wrote: (June 30, 2015 at 10:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Just another reason to hate the French! 
Hmmm. . . maybe I can help you with that. How about I compose an alternate melody as a remedy to Gounod's? I guarantee after that, you will feel much less antipathy toward his piece.
Be my guest! If you post the sheet music I'll sing it 
But I could never hate our funny neighbors. After all they gave us Charpentier, and Lully, Ravel, Fauré, Dupré, Berlioz, Baguette, Croissant, Sirop de Menthe, Bordeaux, Camembert...
They can keep Satie though.
Okay, I have analyzed your problem, and come to the following professional conclusion about your treatment: Gounod, while annoying, is too catchy. It must obviously be remedied with the following countermeasures:
1) A classically-composed piano section themed on a motif from Lady Gaga.
2) Amateur rap by a middle-aged white man.
3) A fusion of heavier period-appropriate instrumentation with more electronic influences.
The combination of these should dissociate the intelligently-German Bach harmonic progression from the unpleasantly-French Gounod melody in your mind in short order. You're welcome.
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 3, 2015 at 6:05 am
Lol, the world definitely needed that.
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 3, 2015 at 6:07 am
(July 1, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
- Symphonies: Herbert von Karajan's 1963 cycle, with Furtwangler's 1951 version of The Ninth.
- Piano Trios: The cycle with Jacqueline duPre, Daniel Barenboim, and Pinchas Zuckerman.
- String Quartets: Alban Berg Quartert's Late Quartets and Quartetto Italiano's Middle Quartets.
- Selected Piano Sonatas and Diabelli Variations: Stephen Bishop Kovacevich.
- Piano Concertos: Richard Goode.
- Cello Sonatas: Rostropovich/Richter.
- Fidelio and Missa Solemnis: Otto Klemperer
- Violin Concerto: Gidon Kremer
- Overtures: David Zinman.
- Violin Sonatas 5 and 9: Yehudi Menuhin.
I admit that I don't know all these performers and conductors' styles by heart such that I could comment on it in detail, but it looks like a nice list!
Talking about Alban Berg Quartet, here's some heavy metal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZXjW_s0Qs
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 3, 2015 at 6:36 am
(July 3, 2015 at 6:05 am)Alex K Wrote: Lol, the world definitely needed that.
Tell me Gounod's not looking a lot better now than he was a couple days ago!
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Mieczyslaw Horszowski plays Chopin Nocturne in Eb major, op. 9 no. 2 and Etude in f minor, op. 25 no. 2
This is from his live performance in Carnegie Hall in 1990, when he was 97 years old. Here is an article about that performance:
Quote:NEW YORK — A keyboard is at its most beautiful when caressed rather than cajoled. The distinguished Mieczyslaw Horszowski made this tellingly apparent during a warmly played and heartwarmingly received recital at Carnegie Hall Monday night.
There are those who will attribute the Philadelphia pianist's sublimely gentle touch to age - he is, after all, an awesome 97. But it is not age that informs his continually insightful playing, it is his efficient, and elegant, approach to that artful labor.
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http://articles.philly.com/1990-04-25/ne...opin-group
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 23, 2015 at 9:41 pm
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Reminds me of our impression of the last Berliner Philharmonic's new years eve concert with Menahem Pressler (playing Mozart), who is 91... Maybe some insights and attitudes really do come with age.
http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en...ils/20332/
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 23, 2015 at 9:54 pm
(July 23, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Alex K Wrote: Reminds me of our impression of the last Berliner Philharmonic's new years eve concert with Menahem Pressler (playing Mozart), who is 91... Maybe some insights and attitudes really do come with age.
http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en...ils/20332/
Although it can be nice to hear a youthful musician, if one wants musical maturity, that comes after about 80 years of practice. So for Horszowski, that would be from the late 1970's until his death. Young upstarts really are just not the same, but one cannot expect real talent to blossom without sufficient time and practice for it to develop.
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RE: (western) classical music discussion
July 23, 2015 at 11:04 pm
I haven't kept up with the entire thread so please tell me to shut-up if this has already been mentioned.
I think John Williams is a master but unheralded because his patron is modern cinema.
Imagine what Bach, Beethoven, or Mozart would have done with modern instrumentation.
Here's a taste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcUFduNbAyY
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