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Artificial Intelligence
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RE: Artificial Intelligence
(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Again I would ask how you know that we need several orders of magnitude more processing power, how have you determined a number even in the general?  
There's no shortage of examples where a human brain has, itself, been reduced

I explained. You need to perform a search to configure your values. If you disagree then produce a massively complex, generalisable strong AI that scales and which does not need to somehow involve artificial evolution or an extensive search to configure and then we can talk. Yeah we didn't always use genetic algorithms, but the cost was still there. Scientists tried to design complex systems manually. Genetic algorithms have massively expanded what we are capable of producing.

An adaptive system that can cope with the myriad of complex situations in a generalisable and scalable way will require complexity. If it didn't we would have had managed it by now. After 50 years of using your approach we haven't.


(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Perhaps it's not the size (or density) of your system that's stalling you, but the manner in which you're using it?  How have you ruled that out, particularly in light of the examples we have with regards to the human brain.

I'm free to listen to any alternatives which you may have come up with, preferably in the form of a published paper.


(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote:  How have you ruled out problems with your criteria for success, as another example?  

All the time. I'm a scientist.


(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Perhaps there are -already- intelligent machines, just as there are already intelligent plants and animals (in the case of the former, no neural architecture -at all-)....we're simply looking for "human" machines, and failing to find them..deciding that there are no intelligent machines?

I have never said that intelligence is specifically human yet you keep assuming that this is what I am arguing.

I earlier gave a working definition of intelligence as the ability to adapt to an unknown environment.


(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Finally, how have you determined that our own intelligence wasn't arrived at by "emulating behavior" over successive generations, with the failure conditions being death and/or extinction?

I never said it hadn't. But if you create a wholly self organising system that can emulate general behaviour that it observes then I will call it strong AI. Most people don't try to do this though. They emulate it themselves. They don't do it for a reason. Because it's insanely difficult to do with a completely self organising system. I would love to be able to do this myself but I'm starting off even simpler.


(July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: As I mentioned a couple of posts back, it's not your comp sci I'm questioning.

But yes it is. Because the computation is the same whether you perform it on silicon or with wetware. There is nothing special about either that will give you functionality that the other won't. But silicon is faster and cells have greater connectivity and can act in parallel so it is more practical to perform different algorithms with each.
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Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 2:55 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 13, 2015 at 3:03 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 3:06 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 13, 2015 at 3:17 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 3:27 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by rado84 - July 13, 2015 at 3:30 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 3:36 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by rado84 - July 13, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Aoi Magi - July 13, 2015 at 3:43 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Aoi Magi - July 13, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by bennyboy - July 13, 2015 at 8:49 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 13, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by bennyboy - July 14, 2015 at 9:57 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Aoi Magi - July 13, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Anomalocaris - July 13, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 13, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2015 at 9:26 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by JuliaL - July 14, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 14, 2015 at 11:43 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by luka - July 15, 2015 at 1:08 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by bennyboy - July 15, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by BrokenQuill92 - July 15, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Minimalist - July 15, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by BrokenQuill92 - July 15, 2015 at 7:27 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Minimalist - July 15, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by JuliaL - July 15, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by davidMC1982 - July 16, 2015 at 2:15 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 17, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 17, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 22, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 22, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 22, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 22, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by Excited Penguin - July 22, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 22, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 2:33 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2015 at 10:16 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 23, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 23, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 23, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by davidMC1982 - July 23, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by davidMC1982 - July 23, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by I_am_not_mafia - July 23, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Artificial Intelligence - by The Grand Nudger - July 23, 2015 at 3:58 pm

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