RE: A Question for Thesists
July 28, 2015 at 4:08 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2015 at 4:35 am by robvalue.)
I wasn't raised anything, I was taught to think for myself. My critical thinking was sufficient by the age of 5 where I first encountered religious preaching at my school. I rejected it then as obvious nonsense. They kept on preaching, and I didn't even bother discussing it with my parents. They didn't "make me atheist" or tell me not to believe in it, clearly they could tell I'd dealt with it myself, using my own thinking.
I can easily imagine a world with no suffering, but where there is plenty of free will. It's not hard at all. Everyone can do whatever they want, be happy all the time, and no one even considers hurting each other. There's no such thing as hurt, in fact. There's no hunger, no violence. And we're not restricted to one tiny armpit of the whole universe either, we can float around wherever we want to actually explore all the rest of the stuff God made apparently for no reason. People often can't seem to decide whether God actually made the rules, or just showed up one day and is restricted by rules already in place.
The idea that you can't be happy without the possibility of someone being evil doesn't make any sense. I don't need someone to tell me that I'm happy when I'm happy. If we are made to only appreciate being happy because we can be sad, that's a design fault. I could be happy my whole life without ever feeling sad, should I be so designed.
But of course, we're not designed anyway, we evolved. And the earth is exactly what you would expect from a place with no one in charge.
If you're saying without evil choices we have no choices at all, that seems to be saying we only ever 2 actions possible at any given time, a good one and a bad one. But obviously we have billions of good choices and billions of bad ones. Who needs the bad ones? What sadist puts in suffering as a way of making people appreciate happiness, instead of just making them appreciate happiness in the first place?
Is my imagination, given to me by God apparently, more powerful than God himself? What kind of sick fuck is he to give me the ability to imagine the kind of world I'd much rather inhabit?
I can easily imagine a world with no suffering, but where there is plenty of free will. It's not hard at all. Everyone can do whatever they want, be happy all the time, and no one even considers hurting each other. There's no such thing as hurt, in fact. There's no hunger, no violence. And we're not restricted to one tiny armpit of the whole universe either, we can float around wherever we want to actually explore all the rest of the stuff God made apparently for no reason. People often can't seem to decide whether God actually made the rules, or just showed up one day and is restricted by rules already in place.
The idea that you can't be happy without the possibility of someone being evil doesn't make any sense. I don't need someone to tell me that I'm happy when I'm happy. If we are made to only appreciate being happy because we can be sad, that's a design fault. I could be happy my whole life without ever feeling sad, should I be so designed.
But of course, we're not designed anyway, we evolved. And the earth is exactly what you would expect from a place with no one in charge.
If you're saying without evil choices we have no choices at all, that seems to be saying we only ever 2 actions possible at any given time, a good one and a bad one. But obviously we have billions of good choices and billions of bad ones. Who needs the bad ones? What sadist puts in suffering as a way of making people appreciate happiness, instead of just making them appreciate happiness in the first place?
Is my imagination, given to me by God apparently, more powerful than God himself? What kind of sick fuck is he to give me the ability to imagine the kind of world I'd much rather inhabit?
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