(July 23, 2015 at 7:39 pm)Rayaan Wrote:(July 23, 2015 at 6:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, please....now you're sounding like Randy. "My scholars say that your scholars are big poopy-heads."
Well you were the one who was praising Luxenberg as a scholar, and talking about his credibility and all, so don't cry when I say that most of the other scholars don't agree with his arguments.
Secondly, I was talking about scholarship as a whole - meaning both Muslim and non-Musilm scholars - on what they think about Luxenberg's work. I was explaining to you that there is a consensus amongst scholars that Luxenberg's arguments are flawed. That's not the same as saying that "my" scholars said so and so about "your" scholars. That is simply putting words in my mouth.
Thirdly, you know that I did post an explanation of why Luxenberg's work has been generally rejected, but you haven't directly addressed those points either.
What "points" do you think you raised? That alcohol is a loan word in English? So what?
In Luxenberg's wiki page a dutch archaeologist (?) complains:
Quote:Dutch archaeologist Richard Kroes[10] describes Luxenberg's book in a review article as "almost unreadable, certainly for the layman. One needs knowledge of eight languages (German, English, French, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic and Syriac) and of five different alphabets (Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Estrangelo) to comprehend the book fully. A good working knowledge of German, Arabic and Syriac is indispensable to be able to assess the book.
So the complaint is that he speaks too many languages? You know what, Rayaan? I'll take that over some jackass who memorizes the fucking koran and thinks that is an education.
But then, there is the typical peaceful, islamic reaction to any criticism.
Quote:In 2003, the Pakistani government banned a 2003 issue of Newsweek's international edition discussing Luxenberg's thesis on grounds that it was offensive to Islam.[14]
Abid Ullah Jan accused Luxenberg of participating in an "discursive assault on Islam,"[15] but he has also been called an enabler of interfaith dialogue;[4] a "dilettante";[8] and the writer of "probably the most important book ever written on the Koran" by Ibn Warraq, an also unknown anonymous writer.[16]
Why do you suppose it is that people who try to investigate islam are forced to assume pseudonyms?
Never forget Salman Rushdie.
