(August 8, 2015 at 6:11 pm)Iroscato Wrote:(August 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I personally don't believe that people go to Hell for the sole purpose of not believing in God. If I did, I'd also have to say that babies all go to Hell because they don't believe in God.
With that being said, I cannot tell you whether or not you are going to Hell. Or anyone else, for that matter. I can't even say if Hitler went to Hell. There are a lot of aspects that go into whether or not a particular person will go to Hell, and to say "[insert person's name here] is going to hell when he dies because he [insert particular sin here]" is simplistic, and not how things work. But it will basically boil down to those people putting themselves there, in the sense that they deliberately chose to turn away from goodness and love... and so they will go to the only place where those things are not present. Of course, none of us can know whether or not any particular person deliberately chose to turn away from those things because we cannot look into their hearts. We cannot measure this by simply looking at the sins they have committed.
It is also not my place to speculate on this. I believe that job is for God and God alone, since He is the only one that knows all the motivations, intentions, sentiments, etc, of a person.
That makes you in the minority CL. And the fact still - still - remains that no just god would send any of his "children" to an eternity of unfathomable agony. The maths (not math, yeh fecking american pigdogs, you) just does not add up.
But I suppose the various verses about eternal torment are simply metaphors, right?
I don't know if I'd be in the minority. While my opinion that they will not go to hell simply for not believing in God is my personal opinion, the Church teaches that it's impossible to tell who does and does not go to hell (with the only exception being the ordained saints who we firmly believe went to Heaven), and that the process of going to hell has many more layers and is much deeper than something we can paint with a broad brush, such as saying "all atheists will go to Hell for being atheist." It's a case by case basis and depends on many aspects of each individual person.
With that being said, I am sure there are Catholics out there who would say that yes, atheists do go to hell for being atheist. But they are speaking on personal opinion and not with the authority of the Church. They would be more correct to say "We can't say for certainty, but my personal opinion is yes."
As for the torment thing, I absolutely thing there will be torment in hell. But the torment will come from being in a place that is devoid of love and goodness, and from being, themselves, devoid of love and goodness. Not necessarily from little red men running around and poking people with pitch forks.
I can't speak for other denominations though.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh