(August 10, 2015 at 1:43 am)Kitan Wrote: The only true miracle is that Harris will not allow his mind to work properly.
Or perhaps you should break the wall of lust and look at the truth hidden in everything.
(August 10, 2015 at 1:44 am)McDoogins Wrote: To me miracles are just coincidences.
Nine points in my post are not coincidences. They are fundamental and inescapable scientific facts.
(August 10, 2015 at 5:32 am)bennyboy Wrote: Harris, numerology is a big fail.
I have not yet touched Abjad. The numbers I had given represent the repetition of certain words or they are references to specific verses in Quran. If you think Abjad is a big fail then you should give some proof with references. How much I know, people from all faiths and creeds in the Arab world are using Abjad without any hesitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad
http://rogerburrowsimages.com/altair-des...d-designs/
(August 10, 2015 at 5:32 am)bennyboy Wrote: At best, it shows that the writers of the Quran knew some things, and that they liked to add hidden puzzles to the Quran for people to figure out and be wowed by.
They knew what? Perhaps, they knew something like:
Big Bang, Expanding Universe, Solar Apex, Orbits, Deep Ocean Currents, Halocline, Human Embryo, Chromosomes, Alien Iron, etc. etc. etc.
“Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! But why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not!”
Ali Imran (3)
-Verse 66-
“Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah, without Knowledge, without Guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment,-”
Al Hajj (22)
-Verse 8-
(August 10, 2015 at 5:32 am)bennyboy Wrote: At worst, it means you and other "students" of the Quran have way to much free time, and are whipping yourself into a schizophrenic frenzy looking for ricidulous and pointless "meanings" in your religious book.
Why do not you refute those “Ridiculous and pointless "meanings!"” The whole atheist world would raise you on the shoulders.
(August 10, 2015 at 5:32 am)bennyboy Wrote: What it doesn't do is show that something supernatural has occurred,
“Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?”
Ath-Thuur (52)
-Verse 35-
(August 10, 2015 at 5:32 am)bennyboy Wrote: or that an all-powerful Skydaddy had anything to do with its creation.
“It is We Who have placed you with authority on earth, and provided you therein with means for the fulfilment of your life: small are the thanks that ye give! ”
Al A'raf (7)
-Verse 10-
Can anyone live on any other planet equally as we live on earth?
(August 10, 2015 at 6:10 am)robvalue Wrote: Calling something a miracle, supernatural, magic, anything like this, is always an argument from ignorance.
It's saying, "I don't find any of the standard explanations for this event, if there are any, satisfactory. I also believe that no explanations will ever be forthcoming at any point in the future that I will find satisfactory. So since I've ruled all those out somehow, that leaves magic/miracles."
Or to put it another way, it's setting your belief at "magic" then holding onto it until you are proved wrong. Either way, it's a hopelessly flawed way of going about things. No one ever learns anything or improves understanding this way.
Stop parroting, bring real stuff, and prove that Quran is a manmade book.
(August 10, 2015 at 10:44 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Using your logic I can prove ancient people didn't know something if they didn't mention it, you haven't found a single written statement from ancient times which say being hit in the groin by wood causes pain.
Only the strike of wood can cause pain in groin. Prove it!
If you fail to prove it (and surely you would fail) then try to prove that ancient people did not make any statement about something on which they had firm knowledge. If you fail to bring some evidence on that either then simply agree that YOUR ARGUMENT IS WRONG.