(August 11, 2015 at 10:31 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So if Gaud created everything, but he totally hates sin, then why did he create sin?Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.
Quote:If he didn't create sin, who did? Did Satan? Did we? If so, why did Gaud create a system where sin could be created? Why did he create a system where ANYTHING could be created by someone other than himself? The capacity for creation isn't necessary for the ability to choose, so Free Will is out.[/color]Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.
Quote:The simple fact is that your Gaud supposedly created a place of eternal torment to punish people who upset him even once in the smallest of ways, and many of the ways we can upset him have no harm in them other than that he dislikes those actions for some unexplained reasonActually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.
Quote:When people say, "because you have a debt that needs repaid," or, "because you're guilty of something and need to be absolved," they somehow conveniently forget that, if the rest of their beliefs are correct, then the reason that situation is true is that Gaud created the system knowing it would wind up that way. That means either that he intended for the system to be that way or that he couldn't stop it from being that way (but then went ahead and selfishly created the system anyway because he'd rather have the worshippers and punish the infidels than not create the system and spare all those potential beings from hell).The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually.
I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years
went by, nothing of consenquence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very appearent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn.
We need to learn through the pains of sin and consenquence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.
Quote:The bottom line: your god does not love us.No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16
Quote: He only cares about worship and obedience.If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.
Quote:He is a worse monster than the worst human Earth has ever produced, because torturing even one person infinitely is a worse crime than torturing billions for thousands of years. It is an infinitely worse crime, in fact. That's the nature of infinity. It is a joy and a relief that your god does not exist because, quite frankly, he is a dick.[/color]You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong.
Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.